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  •  In Committee, (2+ / 0-)
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    JesseCW, koNko

    They (NSA) have claimed successes, that when placed in the timeline of known events and past claims, suggests very much that those claimed "successes" were lies,

    Ditto for the "effectiveness  of Torture" claims by the CIA and the Foiled plot claims by the FBI.

    One would think, given the pressures they are under, that they would trot out at least one "success story" that stands up to the light of day.

    I get the feeling that their actual success stories are things they are not supposed to do, and that "success" is not measured by protecting America, other than Corporate America.

    •  You are talking about the success of what they (2+ / 0-)
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      koNko, truong son traveler

      claimed to be trying to accomplish, protecting the American public. If you are looking at it from the perspective of those in power you evaluate success on the basis of the real objectives such as economic espionage that never get stated publicly. Portraying all these people as a bunch of inept clowns may be entertaining, but I don't think it is an accurate reflection of reality.  

      •  I was quietly alluding (3+ / 0-)
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        JesseCW, koNko, truong son traveler

        That they are probably very good at gaining competitive advantage for GE, ITT, and Rockwell International, over their foreign competition,

        And are very, very good at protecting the fragile Corporations from violent domestic ecoterrorists,

        (In Canada the CESC (NSA sister), according to FOI documents in a Civil trial, spent 2 years monitoring* the electronic communications and real time GPS/cellphone triangulation location of the guy who came up with the idea of the Teddy Bear Catapult at the G20).

        *technically CSEC is banned from monitoring Canadian domestic communications, but they are not barred from asking the NSA or GCHQ from doing it and cc'ing them the files.

        But none of that is their "job".

        •  And THAT (2+ / 0-)
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          koNko, truong son traveler

          is what the people who allow them to continue with little or no interference are really interested in.

          •  Well, CSEC spent, (1+ / 0-)
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            JesseCW

            Over $2 million over two years trying to catch a Agitprop Artist and busker at breaking his probation terms,

            While at the same time we had 60 women disappear on the Trail of Tears and A Canadian Navy Officer was selling all the NATO SONUS Intel to the Russians.

            Like I said, it's not their job.

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