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  •  The Sufis, of course, are denounced by (1+ / 0-)
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    the Wahabs, Salafis and other fundamentalists. Some of them deny that Sufis are Muslims at all, just as some fundies believe Catholics aren't Christians. And so it goes.

    I never liked you and I always will.

    by Ray Blake on Sun Apr 20, 2014 at 07:38:50 PM PDT

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    •  Fundies may not like Catholics (0+ / 0-)

      but very, very few believe they are not Christians.  If you have info to supporting that I would be interested in seeing it.

      •  It certainly used to be true (0+ / 0-)

        back when Luther and the Pope were both denouncing each other as the Antichrist, and later when the Book of Common Prayer of the Anglican Church contained the prayer

        From the Bishop of Rome and all his detestable prelates, Good Lord deliver us.
        Then they had the Wars of Religion of the 16th and 17th century: the Thirty Years War, and the Eighty Years War, and the English Civil War, and a number of others.

        I don't know when that went away, and both Catholics and Protestants generally regarded each other as actually Christians.

        It is still true that many Fundies do not consider Mormons or Unitarians or some others to be Christians.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 09:08:05 AM PDT

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      • search is full of references (0+ / 0-)

        Check Catholics aren't Christians. Among Korean Protestants, it's a common assertion. They're not Christians because the Pope, not Christ, is the head of the church. There's an even more radical belief within some fundamentalist groups that the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Again, (not the great data thieves Google) will help you out on this.

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        by Ray Blake on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 01:37:13 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, some way out there fringers think that, (0+ / 0-)

          along with a bunch of other bizarre stuff.  Seriously, you can find somebody that believes almost anything you can imagine, and they are going to post it on the Internet.

          But among the ordinary, run-of-the mill far-right Protestant fundamentalists, while they may not like Catholics, and may despise their papist aspects, they accept that Catholics are Christians.

          Now Mormons are another story...

          •  I'm not sure what percentage of (1+ / 0-)
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            Protestant fundies are far-right, but I know some otherwise  moderate ones in Los Angeles who believe the Catholic Church is not Christian, and a smaller subset that thinks it's satanic. It's not a majority belief by any means, but common enough that I hear it on a regular basis. The San Fernando Valley, Koreatown and Monterey Park (Taiwanese/Chinese) are locales where you find this most frequently. I wouldn't dismiss it as a fringe idea and it's not a matter of traditional prejudice. It's ideological. I also know many born-agains who vigorously defend the Catholic Church.

            I never liked you and I always will.

            by Ray Blake on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:26:48 PM PDT

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            •  I don't know much about Asian Protestant churches (0+ / 0-)

              I would think they are mostly recent converts and may not have a good historical understanding of the development of Christianity.  

              I recognize that not all fundamentalist Christians are right wingers, despite what is thought here.  Obviously. many African-American oriented Christian congregations are theologically fundamentalist yet the congregants are Democrats (though perhaps not liberals in the sense most people here conceive it).

              The Catholic Church also has many born-agains, though I think of them as more Pentecostal than fundamentalist.  My mother was this sort of Catholic Pentecostal and was also somewhat evangelical (much to my youthful discomfort) while remaining in the traditional Roman Catholic worship system.  She was also a solid New Deal style Democrat.

              •  Christianity is much more diverse (1+ / 0-)
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                than many realize. 11 of the 12 largest congregations in the world are in Seoul, South Korea. It's not unusual on the West Coast for a Four Square charismatic (i.e. born-again) to be an Obama supporter, opposed to abortion, but accepting of gay marriage. And as for Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists and other traditional Protestant groups, you never know what you're gonna get. It's convenient to lump them all together as gay-hating right-wingers, but it's simply not the case.

                I never liked you and I always will.

                by Ray Blake on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 05:03:52 PM PDT

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