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  •  Just my own observation as an outsider... (4+ / 0-)

    and looking at my own reactions to this site and involvement in it.

    This is supposedly a reality based online community, right?

    I believe without being able to use all your six senses in an online community, there is little reality in that community.

    Reality is happening on the ground, in "meat-space", understanding of where someone stands, where he/she is coming from, can realistically only happen in meat-space in conversations face to face, in marching side-by-side, in having the opportunity to explain to someone you know from his online appearances only, to explain in person, why and about what you feel differently than your conversation partner in front of you, whose pov you knew so far only from his online comment and diary posts.

    I think the Connect! Unite! Act! efforts reflect what is happening. Lots of Connects! online, balkanization in the Unite! section online, Act! n form of writing online in abundance.

    All of it doesn't happen in the "meat-space" (if anyone could offer a better word than "meat-space" I take it iin a minute - I hate the word "meat-space".)

    The need for online group balkanization reflects the real life need for forming "tribes" among people, who can trust each other and think alike. It's a human need, ingrained in us genetically, because people need "trusted" friendships.

    It is reflective in that we have a "trusted user - TU" category, as that would be exactly what you look out for in real life.

    For a person to decide, if he trusts a person, is done within unconsciously and easily, when you connect in "meat-space", and you know how fast you make up your mind in real life to say "I don't trust this guy/gal".

    This evaluation comes to each person on a personal level based on his own life experiences he/she carries around.

    And we can only evaluate and understand this "baggabe", if we hear the person carrying that burden, in real life talking about it. A well written diary about that personal baggage might help us online and in theory, but the real trust forms only, when we see and hear that person talking to us in real life.

    What seems to be a homophobic comment online, can get another evaluation, if that comment were made in a real life converstaion between two former "online friends/foes". All of the sudden you might just understand, what seemed to you a racist, insensitive, disrespectful comment in an online conversation, had its own different justification based on that person's life experiences.

    The comment threads online can be a real tool to incite depression and dependency in readers.  

    We wouldn't be depressed about someone's comment in real life, because we would "get that person" through clues you only can get in "meat space".

    Lastly, I think, what still is relevant in all of it, is summarized by Benjamin Franlin's quote:

    We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
    You know, hanging separately is not that good for your mental and physical health. We are designed to not be alone and need a community of trusted people around us in real life. Connecting, uniting and acting needs all to be done TOGETHER on the ground, not just online.
    •  I suppose this is just tangential, but (3+ / 0-)
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      mimi, BMScott, LoreleiHI

      that's a very neurotypical comment ;)

      I know that you who hear my singing make those freedom bells go ringing. And so we keep on while we live, until we have no more to give... Don't you know it's darkest before the dawn. This thought keeps me moving on. Pete Seeger bit.ly/1bwCmhK

      by TiaRachel on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 12:46:11 PM PDT

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      •  boy, even with reading the Wikipedia (1+ / 0-)
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        entry for the meaning of "neurotypical" I don't get what it's supposed to mean, well may be a little, but it's too crazy of a word for people, who are outside of the " autism spectrum".  

        Well, now I know I am outside of the "autism spectrum", I guess. Is that something I need to be concerned off?

        Thanks for teaching me a new (unnecessary) word to enhance my vocabulary. Next time you do that, can you start with some more basic words, I often also don't get? :)

        I can't believe that I have spend my whole working day goofing off on dailykos. No wonder I get myself fired.

        •  Pretty much means 'not autistic'/'normal'. (4+ / 0-)

          Lots of people on the spectrum find it much easier to communicate online, because we don't have the same innate body language/responses as the mainstream (it's a mutual misunderstanding). Those 'meat-space clues' you talk about are different for us, both in perception & interpretation. And for many on the spectrum, there are too many sensory issues to be able to cope well with 3D interactions, even when the other people involved are aware.

          So your central thesis:

          I believe without being able to use all your six senses in an online community, there is little reality in that community.
          Taking out the negatives, you're saying that people in meatspace use all their senses and that's what develops community. This is inaccurate for those on the autistic spectrum (something like 2-3% of the US population, IIRC), and in a way defines us out of 'community'.

          OTOH, there are times when I'd just as soon the NT community return to meatspace & let us have cyberspace back. It was a much more comfortable place before y'all came here to live ;)

          I know that you who hear my singing make those freedom bells go ringing. And so we keep on while we live, until we have no more to give... Don't you know it's darkest before the dawn. This thought keeps me moving on. Pete Seeger bit.ly/1bwCmhK

          by TiaRachel on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:04:38 PM PDT

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          •  Oh that helps, thank you. (2+ / 0-)
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            TiaRachel, serendipityisabitch

            ... hmm, I never intened to live here. But ended up doing so, which in effect I regret...

            Thank you for explaining. I had no intention and no imagination that my comment would define some community members  "out of community".

            I am sorry that I have such narrow views and don't see all of the community member's needs as I should.

            Ok, scratch my comment, that was just a draft, the real version comes later. :)

            •  Don't beat yourself up over it. (2+ / 0-)
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              serendipityisabitch, mimi

              I'm very tolerant of clueless, being so often clueless myself ;)

              I know that you who hear my singing make those freedom bells go ringing. And so we keep on while we live, until we have no more to give... Don't you know it's darkest before the dawn. This thought keeps me moving on. Pete Seeger bit.ly/1bwCmhK

              by TiaRachel on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 02:33:52 PM PDT

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