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  •  Belief in God doesn't conflict with science but (10+ / 0-)

    belief in a literal bible certainly does
    I don't blame God for religion but religion really is a crazy and troublesome thing. It is much more a barrier to truth than a bridge
    whether it is truth of science or truth of spirit.

    There are more religious countries than ours that don't have the craziness though... polls about belief in evolution or climate change in America (where we are going the wrong way) are not reflective of most other industrialized nations.

    Now the big bang? Though if I was asked how certain I was

    "the universe began 13.8 billion years ago with a big bang."
    my initial response might be I'm not sure...
    Not because I believe in some pretty creation story but because I didn't have 13.8 billion memorized and if I did I'm not certain how subject to change that number might be with our increasing understanding of the cosmos
    •  true (2+ / 0-)
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      the time period was based on a new paper that used some pretty good science,  but it may yet be improved upon and refined.

    •  Just remember the lyrics: (0+ / 0-)

      "Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
      Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait..."

      I do have one problem with that, though. I have heard it stated that the universe has no center, but if the universe started from a singularity wouldn't it stand to reason that it must be expanding from the original point of that singularity, and thus have a center?

      Republicans - A pathology, not a party.

      by storeysound on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 03:24:37 PM PDT

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      •  Stands to reason ... (0+ / 0-)

        I just got out of a class teaching the expanding Universe.  

        The Universe has no edges and without edges what meaning is there to a 'center'?  Any way of finding a center will find that all points fit the bill - so the Universe is either no center or all center.  

        BTW: You have to be careful about 'stands to reason' arguments because if you look at things the wrong way you can come to erroneous conclusions.  

        What is the speed of dark?   It stands to reason it's faster than light because it always gets there first ;)

        Oh well.  Class is over.

        -- illegitimi non carborundum

        by BadBoyScientist on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 05:32:00 PM PDT

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      •  Center? (0+ / 0-)

        Um, yes, the Universe has a center but it shifts, relative to one's position. To make it easier for dim bulbs like us to understand, scientists simply say: "There is no center," and leave out the convoluted explanation of what the Center is and when it might be. "Where?" cannot be answered because the place it was is no longer there. It moved out along with the rest of space when space expanded. (See? I told you it was a difficult explanation)

        We can't quite visualize it, but people like Hawking, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Michio Kaku can because they've had the necessary training. Quick: visualize a four dimensional curve in spacetime and write an equation to describe it. Can't do that? Neither can I, but those guys do that sort of thing a dozen times before breakfast. It's the way their minds work.

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