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  •  No reporter cited, (5+ / 0-)

    The NYT hasn't seen fit to send one to the Ukraine,

    All the other summaries at least cite the other media outlets making the claim,

    And if you do a google search on the keywords and cited "victim" names, it's a plagerization of a Unsubstantiated Ukriniform State Media article.

    If you do an ethic survey search, of the region, you will find that in 2012, only 27 people identified as Roma, ( the Nazi's and Ukrainian Nationalists did a real number on them between 1920 and 1944, killing about 99% of the Roma in the region),

    And if you do a white pages search, you will find that the one named victim, doesn't 't even have a phone, or address.

    Probably half of the people on this site, are "sophisticated" consumers of propaganda, after all, we have been fed the best propaganda in the world, all our lives.

    While the NYT tried to slip that propaganda into the middle of a he said/she said, article, where every other point was cited, with out cites,

    Cutting and pasting that one section, Dude, lame, really, really lame, sloppy and stupid.

    •  The reporter is Andrew E Kramer. (5+ / 0-)

      That's why his name is in the byline. Another Times reporter contributed some reporting from Moscow.

      The Times didn't make this up. It actually happened. The piece is a straight up, old fashioned, just the facts maam report from a journalist who is on the scene gathering evidence of what occurred.

      Here's my take on it - the revolution will not be blogged, it has to be slogged. - Deoliver47

      by OIL GUY on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:01:23 PM PDT

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    •  The NYT cites its own reporter. (6+ / 0-)
      No reporter cited,
      The NYT hasn't seen fit to send one to the Ukraine,
      Then you've got a nifty scandal here because the byline on the article is ANDREW E. KRAMER and the dateline on the article is Donetsk.  Do you have any evidence for your claim?  Or should we just assume the NYT is lying about where their reporter is because they are the NYT?
      And if you do a google search on the keywords and cited "victim" names, it's a plagerization of a Unsubstantiated Ukriniform State Media article.
      Evidence please?  When I search on "Natasha Cheripovskaya" all I get is the NYT article and references to it.
      News for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"
      Russia Accuses Kiev of Flouting Ukraine Accord
      New York Times ‎- 1 hour ago
      Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she ...
      More news for "Natasha Cheripovskaya"
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      Daily Kos
      Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...
      Peace and Freedom | Policy and World Ideas
      johnib.wordpress.com/‎
      Natasha Cheripovskaya, 45, said in an interview in her ransacked living room. About a dozen masked men entered the house on Friday, she said, and stayed for ...
      If you do an ethic survey search, of the region, you will find that in 2012, only 27 people identified as Roma, ( the Nazi's and Ukrainian Nationalists did a real number on them between 1920 and 1944, killing about 99% of the Roma in the region),
      And if you do a white pages search, you will find that the one named victim, doesn't 't even have a phone, or address.
      I notice you do not provide cites or any evidence on how the survey collected information.  Given the poverty of Roma in Eastern Europe I am not at all surprised if a Roma family does not have a fixed line phone.
    •  Do you read Russian? (2+ / 0-)
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      Just out of curiosity.  It's a clear misspelling in the NYTimes article - both the first and last name are common ones, but you have to search for Cherepovskaya.  I found a bunch of people by that name in Eastern Ukraine.

      It's possible the events are being exaggerated (à la the alleged Jewish memorandum a few days ago), but Russian media is reporting the same thing, so ease up on the trigger there.  

      Just because the US has a sophisticated propaganda apparatus doesn't mean that the information is false.  (Same holds true for Russian media.)  Caveat lector, of course.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Mon Apr 21, 2014 at 11:32:48 PM PDT

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