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  •  kos, if cuomo loses to a republican, then it is (3+ / 0-)
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    more of a "fuck new york" than "fuck cuomo".

    think of the damage a rethug could do in that liberal state.

    it isn't pretty to imagine.  

    another case of hold your nose and support the creep on our side rather than regretting it later.

    IF another dem had a decent chance of winning, i'd be all for primarying the bastard, however, the very apparent danger of a third party idiot really screwing the people once again raises its ugly spectre.

    i am grateful to you for banning those who push third parties on this site just BECAUSE of the damage those short-sighted ideologues do to this nation.

    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 12:48:51 PM PDT

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    •  New York had a Republican Governor for years. (9+ / 0-)

      George Pataki didn't too THAT much damage, as far as I could see.

      Also, keep in mind that being a Republican Governor of a very liberal state does NOTHING for your own national profile [see Romney, Mitt] so there's no use in becoming one just to further some sort of conservative agenda.

      I mean, you can try [see Christie, Chris or Erlich, Robert] and watch as the legislature lines up against you to block you over and over and over again.  

    •  Meh. (8+ / 0-)

      New York is a different animal.  Look at what we did to Pataki.
      By the time he left office, he could have been confused for a Democrat in many other states.  The Assembly - and Sheldon Silver - essentially beat him in to submission.

      Paladino was batshit crazy - like many GOPers are now nationally.  He scared the shit out of me.  While the Assembly could have limited the damage he did legislatively, he could have caused tons of damage in state agencies.

      But for New York, he's the exception.  For the most part, NY GOPers are weaksauce and can't be too batshit insane, or they don't last too long in office..  Unless they live way upstate in an equally batshit crazy rural area.  Astorino is that same kind of weaksauce you see from most downstate and Long Islan GOPers.

      Essentially - the politics of this state are just as weird as Jerseys.  What you see in other states doesn't always apply here.  As such, Astorino wining would equate to little to no actual, measurable damage here.  He couldn't pass abortion restrictions.  He couldn't pass right to work.  He couldn't pass any voter disenfranchisement.  Basically,  other then executive power he wields with state agencies, he'd be a figirehead.  The only real danger I see is he could direct state agencies to approve fracking.

      "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

      by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 01:11:56 PM PDT

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      •  "We" didn't do anything to Pataki. (2+ / 0-)
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        "As such, Astorino wining would equate to little to no actual, measurable damage here."

        BULLSHIT.  I'm a 53 year old Black woman, living in Bklyn, and I've been living here all my life. I've seen the bad things that could happen here in the State and I can tell you right now you're deluded.

        •  What major (1+ / 0-)
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          GOP initiatives of Patakis time did he successfully implement?

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 01:25:34 PM PDT

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        •  I lived in NY during the Pataki days (9+ / 0-)

          I think DS has it pretty much right - while Pataki certainly wasn't the best thing ever to happen to the state, he also wasn't damaging in the way that some Republicans (see Tom Corbett just to the south in PA for an example) have been.

          Between legislative Democrats and the force of Man that is NYC, a relatively moderate Republican like Pataki will get dragged along rather than forging out on his own.

          I also agree that the amount of damage depends on the level of crazy in any particular Republican. I certainly wouldn't want to see Giuliani or Paladino in the office.

          Frankly, I have to say I've been very disappointed in Andrew Cuomo's stint as governor. A moderate Republican wouldn't be much different than what you have right now.

          Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

          by Phoenix Rising on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 01:55:15 PM PDT

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          •  for one thing Pataki f*ked pensions and hospitals (1+ / 0-)
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            By de-regulating insurance/hospital pricing, the smallest hospitals (often in the poorest areas) got hit hardest by insurerers cutting payouts to them.  Didn't happen to 1% hospitals in the East 70s.  Did happen in Bkln, Queens, and Saint Vincents.

            And then Pataki said market  is high, we'll save money and reduce pension contribs.

            •  And under Cuomo... (5+ / 0-)

              You have the charter school sellout, redirecting of foreclosure settlement money away from foreclosure prevention, and tax breaks for Wall Street.

              I fail to see a substantial improvement.

              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. - William Pitt

              by Phoenix Rising on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 03:32:30 PM PDT

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            •  When did Pataki (0+ / 0-)

              fuck pensions?

              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 03:36:42 PM PDT

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              •  Number one republican ploy (2+ / 0-)
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                They always go after pensions.  When market is up, they cut contributions(saying there's a surplus) when market is down...they cut benefits (saying we can't afford to restore prior cuts)

                See for instance

                 http://www.nytimes.com/...

                http://www.nytimes.com/...

                •  Note (3+ / 0-)
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                  both items were blocked.  He was unsuccessful in raiding the funds.  One article clearly states Pataki was unsuccessful (basically, Hevesi told him to bugger off on an artificial lowering of the ECR), the other states McCall filed suit simply to get some case law on the matter of dipping into an ancillary fund, but could have blocked Pataki administratively (OSC/McCall ultimately triumphed in the case).  So Pataki tried - but failed - both times.  So we could say - and it would be more accurate to say - he attempted to fuck the pension trust funds.  He just never succeeded.

                  That's the beauty of New York:  Constitutionally, the Comptroller is in charge of the pension trust funds - making it difficult to near impossible for those funds to become the governors plaything.  Additionally, the state Constitution for the most part prevents any monkey business with the trust funds - including shortchanging the annual contributions on them.  The state Constitution essentially mandates the full, actuarially required amount has to be paid each and every year.  TBQH, if more states had a pension system like NY had - with the strong Constitutional protections built in we do - far fewer states would be having pension problems right now.  Pew tends to rate our plan as the strongest or one of the strongest on a perennial basis.  But that's a subject for a diary all its own.

                  Also note:  attempting to take pensions funds isn't just a Pataki/Republican thing.  Cuomo the elder - the guy lionized by some as a "liberal hero" in the way Reagan is lionized as a "conservative hero" by the cons - attempted to play games and get his hands on some of the funds as well - and was swatted down just like Pataki was.  Andrew hasn't tried to directly take funds already in the trust fund (yet), but his amortization plan he put in place a year or two ago is sketchy enough that a Constitutional challenge could have been mounted in state court.  For whatever reason - and it pisses me off - the unions did not file such a case.  I think it was largely because the plan that was enacted was less Cuomos plan and more DiNapolis alternative plan, and they didn't want to be seen taking a legit Democrats plan to court.  

                  It still irks me though.  Allies with DiNapoli or not, short-changing contributions in any way always tends to be a dark path, because when the bill comes due, no one wants to pay it.  I brought this point up to our union officers who simply dismissed it.

                  "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                  by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 06:54:28 PM PDT

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    •  You seem to be unaware (0+ / 0-)

      that the Dems achieved control of both houses of the legislature and the governorship in the last election, but then promptly allowed five of them to cross party lines and select a republican to head the senate.  This ensured that the Dems could not be compelled to actually deliver for the people.  A republican governor would only perpetuate the same comfy divided government.

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