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  •  That would be awesome! (0+ / 0-)

    If a left-wing challenger to Cuomo could make the race close enough for the NRA and the conservative PACs to waste a load of money losing to Cuomo, that would be ideal!

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 02:48:00 PM PDT

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    •  no way the WFP does it (0+ / 0-)

      Not gonna happen.  The WFP doesn't take risks in elections now that they are in the money.  Anyone who talks about a WFP candidate entering this election has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to NY politics or about why the WFP exists.  I'm looking at you Kos.  

      Cuomo wins this.  Maybe the Working Families Party would have some credibility if they hadn't endorsed him last time.  But they did and now they need to lie in the bed they made.

      •  As an extremely active union member in New York (10+ / 0-)

        I think you underestimate just how pissed off the WFP people are - considering we are essentially the WFP.  We created it.  We built it.  We essentially control it.

        And yes, our leaders are discussing using the WFP to mount a primary.  We're pissed at this asshole.  Royally pissed.

        You are right in that there is a concern about the loss of the line - but that is the only thing you're right about.  The only real question is how those concerns play out within the party.

        "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

        by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 03:20:48 PM PDT

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        •  I don't underestimate (1+ / 0-)
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          what you are feeling.  Are you in WFP management?  I've been a card carrying WFP member.  I've donated thousands of dollars to them.  I've worked on campaigns for candidates they have endorsed.  

          When has the WFP ever mounted a third party challenge?  Never.   They support dem primary challenges and then very strongly discourage their candidates running in the general election even if they have done very well in the primary.  

          They also expect their endorsed candidates to pay a bunch of money to them for that support.  They make money off of this.  Who is going to donate that money for a statewide race against a candidate who is going to win and already has close to $40 million?  

          No one.  

          Thus, the WFP can't make money off of this race. So they won't get involved.   If you think as a party member you have any real say in what happens with the party decisions, I'll point you to the Dem party for evidence to the contrary.   Remember how the WFP sat out and watched Bloomberg narrowly win a third term.  Perhaps if they were involved the results could have been different.  But they stayed out.  When big money is in the game, the WFP makes sure not to anger big money.  

          •  "WFP management" (1+ / 0-)
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            is essentially elected union leaders.

            I'd expect you'd know that, as you state you were a "card carrying WFP member."

            So if they've never done it before, they won't do it now?  Priceless logic.

            Meanwhile, what's being floated around in the state political press even indicates otherwise.  For example:

            http://www.nystateofpolitics.com/...

            Inside the unions the debate is even more intense.  The only thing that is preventing the WFP from running another candidate is the concern over the loss of the line - and that concern is far from unanimous.  In fact, it causes heated debate.

            And as I noted - that's about the only thing you were right on.

            But believe what you will.

            "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

            by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 04:29:16 PM PDT

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            •  sure (0+ / 0-)

              union leaders are concerned about the loss of the line and not their own personal gain.

              Believe what you will.

              If the only concern was the loss of the line, they'd run.  Because it is the right thing to do.

               The concern is about their own personal financial position. So they won't run a candidate.  Perhaps you will no longer be a member of the WFP once you realize they are a front for the unions and protecting democratic party candidates. Unions who have supported Republicans in NY.

              Please point to all of the WFP third party races they have run based on their challenges to corrupt dems.
               

              •  Spoken like (3+ / 0-)
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                any run-of-the-mill Republican anti-unionist, who also tend to do nothing but talk about "union leaders" and their "personal gain."

                /golfclap for you on your devolution.  That is, if you ever were a WFP member in the first place - which based on what you've said so far, I highly doubt.

                "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 04:42:39 PM PDT

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                •  well (0+ / 0-)

                  The WFP does not support third party challenges.  You have not provided any evidence to the contrary.  They support democrats in primaries.

                  I didn't vote for Cuomo because he is a right wing hack.  The WFP endorsed him.  And the Koch Brothers gave him money.  And i'm the anti union republican?  

                  It must be nice to support candidates like him when it is convenient and then call people like me anti union.  You supported him, not me.  

                  Where was the anger from the WFP members four years ago?

                  •  also (0+ / 0-)

                    I think it would be great for the WFP to run a candidate.  And for the unions to all join together and work for the greater good.  I just don't think it will happen.  

                    One reason it won't is because when there was talk of a primary challenge to Cuomo last year, WFP leadership shut that down quick fast in a hurry.  That is when they should have been vetting candidates.

                    So, I look forward to you proving me wrong and for the WFP to put all of their time and effort and money into doing the right thing even though they have no chance of winning.  Perhaps that will help with the guilt from their Cuomo endorsement in a race where he was unchallenged and didn't need their endorsement and was taking money from the Koch brothers.  Tell me how that helped working families.

                    I look forward to being proven wrong and will happily vote for the third party candidate.  However, that will be Hawkins as the WFP ain't gonna do it.

                  •  You are an ignoramus. (0+ / 0-)

                    Article after article in the political press contradicts what you continually state.

                    Pull your head out of your ass and try reading some of them.  I linked you to one.  Surely you have enough Google-foo to find others.  There are new ones that just popped up today discussing this.

                    Like I said, believe whatever you want.  But the possibility of this happening is real.

                    "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

                    by Darth Stateworker on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 08:35:26 AM PDT

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      •  Cuomo wins this but I think... (3+ / 0-)
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        That a large dissatisfied left wing portion of the Democrat party voting third party could help Democrats in the long run in New York. Get the Green party line above the 50,000 threshold again so that they can fusion with Democrats in other elections. Do the same for a progressive party, etc etc.

        We only think nothing goes without saying.

        by Hamtree on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 05:01:40 PM PDT

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        •  One quibble. (2+ / 0-)
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          We can't do that with the Progressive Party.  They no longer have a line - and essentially no longer exist.  Worse still - scuttlebutt around the Capitol is that if the WFP does run a challenger, Cuomo has threatened to revive the Progressive Party to give himself a second line and cut into the WFP vote enough to cause them to lose their line.

          He's a shifty, shady, sneaky, underhanded bastard.

          "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

          by Darth Stateworker on Tue Apr 22, 2014 at 07:15:30 PM PDT

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          •  Not the Progressive Party (1+ / 0-)
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            If there ever was a party in NY by that name it was before we were born. It's the Liberal Party Cuomo is threatening to resurrect as a home for the unions who are currently in WFP, but want to support him because he controls the goody bag.

            "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

            by sidnora on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 05:29:47 PM PDT

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            •  You're right. Wrong name. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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              "There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy." - Me

              by Darth Stateworker on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 05:50:34 PM PDT

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              •  Funny but sad story (0+ / 0-)

                My parents were registered Liberals. I think they'd made that decision in the late 40’s, when the Liberal Party was the same kind of union-fueled Force To Be Reckoned With that WFP is right now. But by the time I was old enough to have a political mind of my own, it was a sad shadow of its former self.

                When I came of age, I registered as a Democrat, and then began a campaign to get my folks to realize that all their precious registration was doing for them was closing them out of voting in primaries. And as I'm sure you know, most of the action in NYC elections is during the primaries. I think they finally registered as Democrats when they moved to FL. No Liberal Party there.

                "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

                by sidnora on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 07:11:02 PM PDT

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      •  The WFP hasn't taken chances, ever, in my (0+ / 0-)

        estimation, in the money or not. Since 1998 when, right out of the gate, they endorsed Peter Vallone, Sr. I haven't taken them seriously as a progressive force.  Someone might convince me to re-think this, but so far, I don't see it.  Putting a candidate up against Cuomo would be fabulous start, though I doubt that convincing me of anything is on their priority list.  

        They always just seemed to me to be another group of ambitious NY politicos who created their own organization so they could be at the head of something. It's a populous state and there's not a lot of room at the top, so young people have to do what they have to do to clamor up the ladder of influence, whatever their politics.  

        The good we secure for ourselves is precarious and uncertain, is floating in mid-air, until it is secured for all of us and incorporated into our common life. Jane Addams

        by Alice Olson on Thu Apr 24, 2014 at 01:21:01 PM PDT

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