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  •  Good cartoon, but (8+ / 0-)

    When was the last time libs called for restoring basic poverty relief? Who was the last Democrat to advocate for food and shelter for the unemployed and unemployable? With the latest budget, 89 Democrats voted with Republicans to cut food stamps to the elderly, disabled and working poor. Again. Calling for job creation is popular -- been doing just that for over 30 years. But you can't buy a can of beans with promises of eventual jobs. WE are the ones who are denying food to the hungry, shelter to the homeless.

    •  Damning Democrats for accepting a compromise (17+ / 0-)

      might work with people who take what you write at face value.

      Trying to blame Democrats for Republicans' War on the Poor ??? Piss poor thinking.

      "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Ryan Paul von Koch

      by waterstreet2013 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 11:58:58 AM PDT

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      •  Be honest (0+ / 0-)

        "Take at face value..." meaning, what? Which president gave us NAFTA, resulting in so much job loss? Which president then ended welfare aid? It was Bill Clinton , with the support of Dems in Congress. Most recently, Democrats voted with Republicans to cut food stamps to the elderly, disabled and poor. Are we supposed to pretend that Republican "made" Clinton and the Dems in Congress do this?

    •  When was? Who was? (33+ / 0-)

      So, DHFabian, only Democrats should be asked these questions, in your opinion. Let's ask these questions of Republicans, instead:

      When have conservatives ever called for instituting basic poverty relief?
      Why did conservatives eliminate basic poverty relief? When has any Republican ever advocated for food and shelter for the unemployed and the unemployable? I'll answer this one for you: never.
      According to conservatives, no unemployed and unemployable exist. There are only the undeserving poor sucking off the government teat because they're just damned bone-lazy to work.
      Which party decided that taking money from the poorest and giving it to the richest by cutting food stamps to the elderly, the disabled, and the working poor, in the first place? That was the Republican Party.
      Why have no jobs been created? Because the Republican Party has made it trivial for Big Business to outsource American jobs of all kinds - from building computers to making matchbooks to answering telephones - to foreign countries.
      Republicans like YOU are denying food to the hungry and shelter to the homeless. It;s YOU who are making a hero out of a rancher stealing millions and proposing to use wives and daughters as shields, while condemning the poor for occasionally trading a food stamp for a 40-oz.
      Stop lying, DH. You care nothing about the poor.

      •   Bravo! 3 years ago my SNAP (4+ / 0-)

        benefit was $63. It is now $37. Who did that? The Grinch?
        The Republicans did it. And I can assure you that I would NOT be using the program if I didn't have to right now.

        If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

        by weezilgirl on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 11:34:56 PM PDT

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        •  $2 on the Grinch ? (1+ / 0-)
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          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Paul "False Prophet" Ryan von Koch

          by waterstreet2013 on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 12:39:49 PM PDT

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        •  Do the research (0+ / 0-)

          You can learn a lot by going to the official sources of information, like Congress' own website to see how legislators voted on each issue. 89 Democrats voted with Republicans (latest budget) to cut food stamps to the elderly, disabled and poor. These cuts could not have been made without the support of those Democrats. Saying nothing about this simply gives Democrats the "go ahead" to vote against the best interests of ordinary people.

      •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

        Frankly, the views you express here are immature and uninformed. Read the post that you're criticizing.  I pointed out correctly that it was the Democrats/Bill Clinton who ended welfare aid.  Any argument? It was the (Clinton) Democrats who gave us NAFTA, responsible for so much job loss. Check the facts. 89 Democrats voted with Republicans (on latest budget) to cut food stamps to the elderly, disabled and poor. How does pointing out these facts mean that I must be a Republican? Representative government requires that people speak up when they disagree with govt., regardless of party. You should know that the Dem Party was pulled well to the right with the Clinton administration. Now, as for "any conservative who ever called for instituting basic poverty relief," that would go back to D. Eisenhower. (And again, it was Clinton who ended poverty relief.) The greatest expansion of welfare happened under Richard Nixon.  Nixon didn't like poor people, but he rightly explained how the US can't survive without a strong middle class, and a strong middle class can't exist without shoring up the poor, enabling them to work their way out of poverty. Politics isn't a spectator sport.  Democrats and Republicans aren't teams, and our role isn't to sit back a root for our favorite team.

    •  Personally I won't forget (12+ / 0-)

      how after exploiting and destroying our housing industry
      along w/banking and finance, even dropping the credit rating of our Nation the Republicans of the house refused to extend unemployment to those hit hardest when their corporitistas
      continued to cut head toward historic profitability if not given another extension of their sacred Bush tax cuts?

      No, I think I know who is least like the party of Christ regardless of affordable contraception they seem to rail against while they pile into the companies who can squeeze their employees the most?

      I Lmao when I heard the Right say how Obama was leading us down a road to socialism and communism and Peter Efferfyfyfy or whatever his rambling name was as one of the wealthiest billionaires claiming the "Dangers of Obama" while advertising his money machine for Greed?

      It's not more sub living wage jobs we need as everyone knows its sustainable, living wage jobs, American families can build a future on and after 30 + years of Righties in the White house I think I remember the economy of Clinton as having under 5% unemployment for black men and personally witnessed families gain employment escaping welfare.

       Our son is currently working steady for 5 years installing solar panels creating energy independence along w/many others and growing leaps and bounds expected up 37% by
      2015. Bush w/no complaint cashed in as Texas oil man as oil hit $5 a gallon in many parts of the country and America slid into the "Greatest Economic Recession in History. Great?

      Fox viewers seek a mascot for solidarity? Maybe an Ostrich? Seek Truth young birds....

      by Jon Sullivan on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 02:59:02 PM PDT

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      •  Dems are just better at obfuscating. (0+ / 1-)
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        The GOP are blatantly and ignorantly heartless. Dems are slightly more nuanced. Neither of their polices are remotely Christian.
        "It's not more sub living wage jobs we need as everyone knows..." Indeed; but who is off to Asia to sell the TPP.
        "...exploiting and destroying our housing industry
         along w/banking and finance.." started with a Dem president and another Dem president invited the vipers of deregulation into our financial bosom to finish the job.
        Kerry and Biden are running damage control for their minions who cocked up "bringing democracy" to Ukraine.
        Who killed single payer health care in the womb and the public option in its infancy. And on and on...
        I'm no fan of the GOP but we have to realize that a choice between TweedleDeceit and TweedleDumb is no way to run a country. And you only have to look at a map of Medicaid roll-out (or not rolled out) to see that we are no longer a Union.

        The pursuit of happiness is making us sad.

        •  Bxllshxt (5+ / 0-)

          "Stealing kids' lunch money makes them strong and independent." -- Ryan Paul von Koch

          by waterstreet2013 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 at 03:54:51 AM PDT

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        •  Please stop attacking Democrats. (2+ / 0-)
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          TPP will create millions of jobs if it's done properly, deregulation was pushed by a Republican Congress. Single payer never had a chance (it would blow up the employer market). And please stop attacking Kerry for making a half-hearted attempt at fixing the crisis in Ukraine. Ron Paul-style isolationism is in no one's interest.

          The parties are extremely polarized, so there is a huge difference even between the most liberal Republican and the most conservative Democrat.

        •  Somewhat Wrong (1+ / 0-)
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          Seanachi, just a few points here. Nobody thinks the Dems are perfect or right all the time. Given the two parties (and of course, that's ALL we're given) which way do you want to go ? The division grows deeper every day, you can thank money for that.
          The trade agreement will link us with Asia like never before. Good or bad, the jury is still out. Democracy to the Ukraine is the LATEST attempt. Do you remember when Georgie B.and the Dick gave tanks and other war toys to Soviet Georgia ? Well I do, and Russia responded swiftly, and those two snuck out the back door before anybody found out they'd been there.
          As for the repeal of Glass Stiegel, yeah Clinton signed it but it was a Repub congress that passed it.
          Single payer was sort of DOA anyway, the ACA being a compromise back when our President foolishly thought there might be a compromise. Anyway, we got it passed and while it's not perfect, it could be MUCH better if afore mentioned "compromise" ever appears in politics again.
          Democrats aren't perfect, or even close, but which horse do you want to ride ?

        •  OK, let me help your damaged memory (0+ / 0-)

          Single payer, was killed, when the GOP blatantly refused to even sit at the table, if it were to be discussed, calling it a dead issue, and killing single payer, PRIOR to the first discussion of any alternative, which they than stalled, stuffed with amendments they voted against after installing them, and running off the rails with made up from thin air nonsensical accusations of "death panels", "disconnecting gramma", "too few doctors to provide care", (suggesting only the moneyed deserve to have care, and God forbid they be delayed by others getting care too).
          As for the repeal of Glass-Steagal, yes Clinton signed it, but, it was two Republicans that wrote it, GOP congress that passed it, and Clinton had little option but to sign it. And, let's not forget, the "deregulator president" Bush, that further repealed regulations that opened the doors for further exploitation by bankers, selling loans they knew would fail, but happily collecting their bonuses and then masking and selling the toxic packages of loans as "AAA" packages.
          As for Ukraine, I don't think the US, is responsible for Crimeans to VOTE to rejoin Russia, nor do I think it would have been wise, for the US, to insert our nation into the middle of that mess, to "protect Crimeans" from the results of their election. As for the rest of Ukraine, they too have the right to vote their future, but, IF, the Russians, are instigating violence and rebellion, to then "come to the defense of Ukranians, that prefer Russia to associating with the west", it should be exposed for what it is, a pretense, created with an agenda. Please take note, we DIDN'T, barge in, beating our chest, and threatening war, to attempt to diffuse an explosive situation.
          Try as you might, the difference between the GOP, and Dems, is light years wider than those that suggest, "they are the same", would have us believe.

      •  I particularly (15+ / 0-)

        want to gag when Wall Street millionaires talk about how we can't afford Social Security.  WTF? Yeah, like anyone they even accidentally rub elbows with pays into it or would ever need to rely on it.  Which Koch was it who got sick so he just bought himself a hospital?  These black holes of greed are just dying to get their mitts on the huge Social Security trust fund that working people have paid into for generations.  They'd steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes.

      •  Conservatives: (3+ / 0-)

        B  anks

        D  efense
        E  nergy
        A  griculture
        T  elecommunications
        H  ealthcare

                 This is the conservative wish list.

      •  Needed (1+ / 0-)
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        Govt has redistributed several trillion dollars upward (via tax cuts/handouts) since Reagan, always claiming that this is "vital to job creation." Look at the results. Instead of giving corporations money to move our jobs out of the country, we need to impose heavy financial disincentives on outsourcing/shipping jobs out. We need to invest the people's money in the people (education, training, etc.), restoring the world-class workforce we once had.

    •  What ? (9+ / 0-)

      It was rammed down their throats. They were blackmailed by republicans who stuck this garbage in there to get the democrats to give them something . This is a republican. Blackmail. Shut down the Government and cost us 24 billion .. Pay that back.

      •  Don't forget how much it costs us (4+ / 0-)

        every time those yahoos try to repeal the ACA. 51 times. It is killing them that 8 million people now can visit a doctor when they are sick. Yet their healthcare benefits are unbelievable and very expensive to the taxpayers. We're paying for abortions for their wives and daughters, boob jobs, viagra and on and on. And they want to end abortion. Oh, I forgot something.  Their abortions are called D&Cs.

        End of two a.m. rant.

        If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

        by weezilgirl on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 11:41:13 PM PDT

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      •  But (0+ / 0-)

        Democrats have been pulling the, "They made me do it" excuse for years. They just couldn't help themselves? For years, they've been "blackmailed" into embracing the right wing agenda? Then what is the solution, if Dem pols of this generation are so weak?

    •  Yeah, it's all the Democrats fault (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Democrats didn't cut food stamps. (3+ / 0-)
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      The last budget contained a minimalistic "cut" that was in reality an elimination of a loophole that only a handful of states were abusing. Stop spreading falsifications here.

      •  Falsifications (0+ / 0-)

        What the public doesn't understand is that this is just the most recent cut in food stamps. These "minimalistic" cuts add up, pushing food budgets down as food prices rise. The fact that it effects millions of our most vulnerable citizens makes it worth discussing. Nothing I said was false. You can do the research via (provides link to the appropriate agency website).

        •  Those aren't cuts. (1+ / 0-)
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          This is an elimination of a loophole that was abused by some (one-third) of states. Three months earlier the reductions from food stamps came from an automatic expiration of a bill passed right after the recession started. The savings from the end of the "heat-and-eat" loophole don't come anywhere close to the $20 billion in cuts proposed by the failed House farm bill, not to mention the $40 billion in Eric Cantor's stand-alone food stamp bill.

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