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  •  dov - you could make a case in public universities (13+ / 0-)

    but private colleges don't have to justify to anyone that they accept legacy students with less stellar records. It's their school, and their money. My guess is that they have found that granting legacy admissions helps the gifting and endowment wheel to go round and round.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 01:59:34 PM PDT

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    •  They shouldn't even exist in public universities (4+ / 0-)

      Such admissions policies reinforce the worst elements of inherited social advantages.

      •  Affirmative action was a token program as it only (0+ / 0-)

        permitted a predetermined number of minorities whether it was in higher education or jobs.

        Affirmative action for whites and males is opened ended.

        As noted here many white people are admitted simply because they are white or are wealthy.

        SAT scores are designed to predict one thing; a students socio-economic status.

        If more reliable instruments were employed to measure  valid determining factors for academic success, population distributions at universities and on jobs may be equivalent to or exceed affirmative action targets for Black males and females  Latinos and other lower socioeconomic individuals..  

        However , this approach will not solve the problem of exclusion because of discrimination.

    •  Exactly (4+ / 0-)
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      Private colleges don't have to justify to anyone that they accept legacy students with less stellar records. It's their school, and their money. My guess is that they have found that granting legacy admissions helps the gifting and endowment wheel to go round and round.

      If you get confused, listen to the music play - R. Hunter

      by SpamNunn on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 03:39:39 PM PDT

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    •  legacy == MONEY, pure and simple. (3+ / 0-)
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      you could make a case in public universities but private colleges don't have to justify to anyone that they accept legacy students with less stellar records. It's their school, and their money. My guess is that they have found that granting legacy admissions helps the gifting and endowment wheel to go round and round.
      Your guess is dead-on -- whether the university is public or private.

      Modern American higher ed is so poorly funded these days that virtually all universities must scrape all available moneys from anywhere they can get them.

      It's why purely academic full-rides are almost unknown in Colorado these days. Virtually all full-ride scholarships are going to athletes. Why? Because the schools need immediate net-positive return on investment to remain solvent.

      :-(

      "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

      by thanatokephaloides on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 06:26:26 PM PDT

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      •  Agree! It is time to stop harping on white ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... and start focusing on GREEN!

        Yes, the vast majority of the American wealthy is white due to a truly horrible set of historical circumstances but that does not mean that all whites are wealthy and given the red carpet treatment into a good university. A poor white legacy is going to be rejected in favor of a wealthy one of any race.

        Legacy is affirmative action for wealthy people - not white people.

        I know that is going to sound quaint and naive but it is true and it is also the framing that is going to give this issue legs. Public universities were founded as a wedge into the fortress of inherited privelege and legacy undermines that very mission. A private institution that receives no federal money is free to do what it wants but our public universities should ban the practice.

        In the meantime our movement would do well to begin framing things less in terms of race and more in terms of wealth. That does not mean that I think all racial problems have been solved, just that I think green is the color that causes the vast majority of our solvable problems.

        Please do not be alarmed. We are about to engage... the nozzle.

        by Terrapin on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 08:59:30 AM PDT

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        •  the fortress of inherited privilege (1+ / 0-)
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          I know that is going to sound quaint and naive but it is true and it is also the framing that is going to give this issue legs. Public universities were founded as a wedge into the fortress of inherited privilege and legacy undermines that very mission.
          As does reserving most/all of the full-ride academic scholarships for athletes.

          The kind of athletic prowess necessary to generate one's university an immediate positive cash return-on-investment (ROI) is not available to everybody who's willing to work hard enough, regardless of what the contrary propagandists may try to tell you. Unless you start off with serious innate talent, you're not ever going to get there no matter how hard you work.

          It's inherited privilege. Just like the money of the rich effers.

          And you're completely right as regards both of these cases.

          Public universities need to recall what their real mission really is. And the governmental entities which sponsor them need to fund them accordingly. (Are you listening, Colorado?)

          "It's high time (and then some) that we put an end to the exceptionalistic nonsense floating around in our culture and face the fact that either the economy works for all, or it doesn't work AT all." -- Sean McCullough (DailyKos user thanatokephaloides)

          by thanatokephaloides on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 11:10:44 PM PDT

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    •  There is a federal nexus. (1+ / 0-)
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      These prestigious private universities get plenty of federal money.

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