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  •  Well: (0+ / 0-)

    Where did Ukraine say they were going to attack or bomb Russia?

    "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

    by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:15:52 PM PDT

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    •  Tell me about the Ukrainian populations (1+ / 0-)
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      inside Russia, and how they're being treated.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:16:43 PM PDT

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      •  So, they didn't. (0+ / 0-)

        "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

        by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:17:59 PM PDT

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        •  Ukraine didn't threaten to bomb Mongolia either. (1+ / 0-)
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          You're not making any sense, sorry.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:19:24 PM PDT

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          •  My point exactly. (1+ / 0-)
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            Ukraine didn't threaten to bomb Russia, yet Russia threatens to invade if Russian interests or citizens are attacked. That means that Russian special operations forces are in East Ukraine and if Ukraine attacks these Russian citizens, then Russia invades.

            "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

            by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:22:39 PM PDT

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            •  whoosh! (1+ / 0-)
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              Remind me: What Ukrainian interests are in Russa?

              Sorry, the situations are not parallel.

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:24:02 PM PDT

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              •  There are plenty of Russian interests in Ukraine. (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm not denying that part. But in answer to your question, I would say that Lavrov's threat was immediate given the Georgia reference. In other words, you make one false move, I'm gonna do to you what I did to Georgia. That's how I took it.

                "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

                by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:39:26 PM PDT

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                •  You seem to forget (5+ / 0-)

                  (or willfully ignore) the rather bleedingly obvious fact that that idiot Saakashvili attacked Russia, not the other way around.  You may rightly be appalled that Putin is a thug, but you have no reason to expect him to be Christlike.  

                  What Lavrov is saying is no different, and certainly no worse, that what we say to countries all the time -- and in the case of Iran, we do "fuck 'em up" too, knowing they dare not retaliate.

                  So really, I don't understand your outrage.  How is Ukraine any of our business anyway?

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Wed Apr 23, 2014 at 09:47:27 PM PDT

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              •  Gazprom's natural gas pipeline to Europe is (2+ / 0-)
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                through Ukraine and the last thing Russia wants, since it blackmails much of Europe by the use of gas prices, is Ukraine interfering with delivery of gas via that pipeline, at least until the one through Belarus is finished. "Russian interests."

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                  if we take emotion and/or bias out of the picture, any realist should take these things into consideration.
                  "Vital interests" of the superpowers have always been a standard above national or international law.
                  Take the Straights of Hormuz. Does it belong to Iran, Iraq or any adjacent state? Noooooo.... it belongs to the US and it's unwritten law that noone dare mess with it or shock and awe will be the medicine.

                •  Well: (0+ / 0-)

                  That wasn't the context of Lavrov's remarks, and Ukraine never threatened to interfere with delivery of gas to begin with.

                  "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

                  by Eternal Hope on Thu Apr 24, 2014 at 03:21:17 AM PDT

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