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    catwho, TiaRachel

    Most people understand that other people get sick, and are happy to pitch in to help a fellow employee & earn a few extra bucks in the process.

    You seem to have a view of humanity that is entirely devoid of empathy.

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    by radical simplicity on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 05:51:48 AM PDT

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    •  Ever know anyone who always seems to get sick (0+ / 0-)

      the day before or after a three day weekend or on Fridays when the weather is nice or during hunting season?

      Most people behave well, but some people abuse.  Most staff are happy to pitch in when they believe that someone is really sick, but not when they think that someone just wants to take off a day of work.

      •  It's actually possible to craft a corporate policy (1+ / 0-)
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        That defines malingering in such a way as to encompass the problem you keep harping on. You don't have to have a completely nuance-free policy in order to ensure the ability to control for that kind of behavior.

        The problem you're describing is a problem of lazy management.

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        by radical simplicity on Fri Apr 25, 2014 at 07:20:59 AM PDT

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        •  Shrug... perhaps you can suggest such a policy (0+ / 0-)

          Please keep it simple - we want our staff to read and understand our employee policy manual and we need a bilingual manual which has exactly the same meaning in court in both languages.

          •  You could try talking to companies that have (0+ / 0-)

            ... done so within the country where you're located. I'm sure if my brother's employer could figure it out, you can, too (ok, maybe you can't but your employer probably can). Heck, my brother's employer is multi-national in a whole bunch of languages, and still somehow manages to have humane policies.  

            Unless, of course, you/your employer prefers the easy route of being paternalistic, capricious, and mean. There's always that.

            Corporate policy is not exactly rocket science. Creating a policy that is inhumane is a choice, not a necessity.

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            by radical simplicity on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 03:09:54 PM PDT

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            •  We used employee manuals that are floating around (0+ / 0-)

              to write ours.

              Big companies like Oracle, IBM, HP, Apple, etc. can't really keep these documents secret.  People keep them when they leave, pass them to friends who need HR manuals, etc.

              I've never seen one with the level of nuance that you suggest.

              Ask your brother if he has a copy of his company's employee manual for a fire for cause jurisdiction and see how they handle sick leave, especially for staff who are scheduled on a roster and therefore do not have flex time.

              •  Or you could try google (0+ / 0-)

                work life balance policies would be a good starter search term:

                Time-off policies

                Sprint employees can receive time off for a number of important life situations, such as personal concerns, medical conditions and parental bonding as well as for vacations. Sprint has a formal Paid Time Off policy that permits employees to spend time away from their work duties for vacation, doctors' appointments and other personal needs.

                The Sprint Nextel Paid Time Off (PTO) Policy permits employees to spend time away from the office for vacation, doctors' appointments and other personal needs.
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                by radical simplicity on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 08:37:16 PM PDT

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          •  My employer has such a policy... (0+ / 0-)

            One of the ways a worker might get in trouble is 'pattern call-ins'. An easy example would be someone who's sick days always seem to come on Friday.

            They don't get fired simply because this pattern is noticed. But they are assigned 'points'. Accumulate so-many points and you're terminated. There are other attendance/tardy infractions for which one is assigned points automatically.

            I think it's a good system. "Fault" is not determined or assigned.

            After all the logic-chopping is done, it boils down to this: Those who get up when the alarm clock rings and go to work faithfully will never ring up enough points to be terminated. It would take one huge mistake followed by one big mistake followed by one piece of pretty bad luck to get them even in danger of reaching the threshold.

            I'm told that those who 'point out' are almost always given one more chance if they ask for it. I know of examples.

            Those poor souls who just can't get up enough gumption to get to work reliably do, indeed, point out. But it doesn't happen quickly. They hold on for a surprising amount of time. The reason, I suppose, is that the company gives enough margin of error to avoid terminating people who have a bit of bad luck.

            I hear some people who whine about it. But these are usually the same people who keep up a stupidly high 'point balance'. Those who don't take days off just because they (we) feel like it have nothing to fear.

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