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  •  Well.. (1+ / 0-)
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    We have a minimum wage.. it just doesn't suit you, apparently .. and if it were higher, there would be some number of people it still wouldn't suit.

    Unions organize without government interference?  I suppose you are talking about the UAW and VW.  But you have no idea why those workers rejected the UAW.  We have the most union friendly NLRB in history.. and just for your info.. the NLRB IS the government.

    A progressive tax system?  So, you would call our current tax system where 40% or so pay NO income tax and a good portion actually get cash back (EITC, etc) NOT a progressive tax system?  40-50% of all income taxes are paid by the top 10% earners.

    When do facts actually come into your calculations when you go to form your "opinions"?  Do you pay taxes?

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      a) Yes, the current minimum doesn't suit me, and maybe I'll be satisfied with a wage that won't satisfy someone else.

      Is that a reason to avoid a hike that the vast majority of Americans think is fair and wise?  That SOME BODY still won't be satisfied?

      b) It's enough that the workers were threatened at VW.  And that's being heard by the NLRB soon enough, I expect.  

      c)  It's not progressive, since capital gains and interest are taxed at much LOWER rates than wages, unless the person dies and they they aren't taxed at all, even wages not subject to income tax are taxed with payroll tax, and throw in state taxes which are largely sales taxes...I mean, Christ, dude, read a book.

      d)  40-50% of all income taxes are paid by the top 10% earners: if I didn't pay taxes, I might be so stupid as to not see you are talking about federal income taxes.  Why isn't "the system".  

      e) I pay taxes, and somehow I figure you're off collecting medicare or social security or some pension I"ve paid for.
      So stop trying to pull up the ladder behind you.

      The dossier on my DKos activities during the Bush administration will be presented on February 3, 2014, with an appendix consisting an adjudication, dated "a long time ago", that I am Wrong.

      by Inland on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 06:53:21 PM PDT

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    •  Factor in sales and payroll taxes (14+ / 0-)

      and you'll find that we have a much flatter tax system than you think we do.

      And yes, I pay a metric fuck-ton of taxes.

      I'm sure some of those "lucky" 40% would gladly trade paychecks with your or I if we found our tax bracket unbearable.

      I'm more concerned that 40% don't even make enough income to be worth taxing.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 06:55:47 PM PDT

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    •  ummmm (10+ / 0-)
      40-50% of all income taxes are paid by the top 10% earners.
      That's because the top 10% of the earners get 40-50% of all the nation's income.

      But you already know that.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sun Apr 27, 2014 at 07:14:07 PM PDT

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    •  I thout Koch talking points weren't allowed (3+ / 0-)
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    •  You are so right... (3+ / 0-)
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      Many people would not agree on a minimum wage.  We shouldn't even be talking about "minimum wages" anyway.  Why not have a real discussion about the fact that everyone has the right to earn a LIVING WAGE?!  Seriously, could you feed your family on $7.25 an hour?  (I know you couldn't in Chicago!)

      •  The problem is not minimum wage.. it is demand (0+ / 0-)

        for labor..

        In the 90's when there was a labor shortage, McD's and Burger King were advertising $10 per hour plus wages.

        We need jobs programs, not minimum wage regs.

        •  Then tell Yellen to raise inflation target! (0+ / 0-)

          There's been talk among economists that we need a higher inflation target to get the economy out of the doldrums and avoid the risk of future liquidity traps and/or secular stagnation.

          But guess how higher inflation is attained?  By heating up the economy and driving up wages.  So you really, really want right now is an extremely dovish Fed that emphasizes getting to "overfull employment" as a wage-growth policy!

    •  Progressive Taxes (0+ / 0-)
      40-50% of all income taxes are paid by the top 10% earners.
      The income tax is the ONLY tax in America that's even close to bring progressive - and it is only progressive on labor.  The rest of the taxes are regressive.

      There's the payroll tax that doesn't apply on income over 100k.  Most people think that's part of the income tax and progressive, but it isn't, it's REGRESSIVE.  And everybody with a job pays it even if one doesn't make enough for the income tax.

      Sales taxes and property taxes(which is what state and local governments use).  Excise and gasoline taxes.  All flat or regressive.

      Oh, and don't even get me started on capital gains taxes which are taxed at a lower rate than labor income taxes.  That income, which is what the truly rich and powerful rely on for income, is flat and is lower than all but the lowest income tax brackets.

      When do facts actually come into your calculations when you go to form your "opinions"?  Do you pay taxes?
      Pot, Kettle.

      Our Dime: Understanding the Federal Budget

      by Dustin Mineau on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:05:22 AM PDT

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