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  •  Too late. They were already (2+ / 0-)
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    well interbred in Britain and Ireland, and those Normans had some considerable Norse in them too. Oh, and the North Germanic language WAS Old Norse. The melanin-deficient gene pool may be shrinking to non-existence, but there's still plenty of Norse going on.

    Maybe - I do sometimes hope - humans will all be a nicely hued multi-shaded in-between people someday. Do away with the melanin mis-allocations in the modern world where we don't all live outside all the time. Now we have Air Conditioning!

    It would certainly eliminate one of the most historically prevalent reasons city-state subcultures go to perpetual war, at any rate. Not that people of the same coloring haven't proved themselves just as insanely murderous over the millennia... It would be nice if we'd outgrow it.

    There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

    by Joieau on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 02:04:26 PM PDT

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    •  I was thinking more of the cultural changes that (1+ / 0-)
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      would have resulted. If England had stayed within the Scandinavian orbit, the rivalry between France and England (largely the result of Billy the Bastard's invasion) would likely have never happened. The English Empire would never have happened. Germany would never have united. Sweden/Denmark would likely have dominated Europe, and may have followed Erik the Red to Canada and dominated North America. With Scandinavian naval dominance, Spain might never have conquered South America, and the Incas, the Iroquois Confederation, or the Aztecs could have established independent native nations. China or Japan might have dominated the entire Pacific. Without the British, Germans and French in Africa, someone like Shaka Zulu might have been able to form an empire to unite the continent and keep it independent--perhaps the Zulus would have become a world power.

      What a different world it would be today.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 02:34:08 PM PDT

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      •  Whoa. Now THAT is some serious (1+ / 0-)
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        "what if." I like to do that on occasion, being a fond student of history, and understanding well that history is always written by the victors. What if... it had gone the other way?

        The African un-settlement(s) are a fascinating story of unbridled capitalism as well, like India and Asia. With a less 'happy' ending because the Africans chose (across tribal lines, as if it came naturally) not to best the white guys at their own game. The native North Americans did much the same.

        But then again, there's Rwanda. In our own time. That's a shame of our species. We have a whole planet now, no other species of homo sapien to drive into extinction in favor of our own hegemony. Yet we can't seem to give up the guns (any description here). Always against our own, when we're not wiping out the native wildlife instead.

        The 'IS' of our world is always in thrall to the 'what-ifs' of our latest martial escapades. I like to imagine bigger 'what-ifs'.

        There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

        by Joieau on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 02:52:08 PM PDT

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        •  "butterfly effect" (1+ / 0-)
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          Small changes produce enormous differences over time.

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 02:57:25 PM PDT

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          •  That's what I keep telling myself. (0+ / 0-)

            But our time here is so short. It would be nice to someday see a real sea-change that wasn't merely politically generational. We elders still have wisdom to impart, the youngers are the ones who have to learn and apply.

            What Is The Nature Of Time is still the ultimate question, n'est ce pas? Physicist don't know and can't agree. We just know it's a thing. Here. And we are all limited by it.

            There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

            by Joieau on Sat Apr 26, 2014 at 03:04:25 PM PDT

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