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  •  I'm so sorry but I can't (none)
    see some of the answers to my questions in Jerome's diary.

    First - it would seem that solar power would be the least "bird/bat killing" type of power generator - why isn't that included in your list?  Is it not as efficient as the others - asking because I don't know and I'm curious.

    Second, are there companies that are creating turbines that are less deadly - is there a way to support them as opposed to the others?  

    Third, who decides where the turbines are placed?  Is it decided on a national level, a local level, the company?  I apologize for not finding the answer to that in his diary.

    You go on to state: "Some may not have wind turbines because they are right on a flyway, even if it is otherwise cost effective."  Again, who is making the decision here?  While that would be great, my concern over our eventual need for massive power generation makes me concerned about some shifting of priorities.

    Look, I don't have the history of protesting these things. All I know is what little I've read. I apologize for being so "dumb" on this subject but since it seems to be the way we are going - I'd like to know some more about it.

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    by Pandora on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:24:21 PM PDT

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    •  Let's see (none)
      I suppose solar would be more friendly, but it is currently much more expensive than other options. You're free to include it in the mix for consideration, but most solar installations have been experimental or heavily subsidized. They are not currently economically viable.

      We learned a lot at Altamount Pass. All turbines being built today are far less deadly than the design that went in there.

      Generally, companies decide on the location and get approval from the state utility regulators. Some states may allow small installations done by private property owners to go anywhere under mandatory buyback regulations. An EIS is required for these installations as with most other major constructions. The results of the EIS will strongly influence the decision of the PUC.

      There are two ways to approach a problem that you don't understand. One is to ask questions and then listen to the answers, following up with more informed questions. The other is to insist that it must be bad because you don't know about it or understand it. There's nothing wrong with being uninformed initially, but then it's everyone's duty to learn about it, rather than use their ignorance as an excuse to oppose or support it. Americans, far too often, are willing to remain ignorant.

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      by freelunch on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:03:30 PM PDT

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    •  Solar (none)
      is still an order of magnitude (i.e. 5 to 10 times) more expensive than other forms of power generation, so it makes little sense to include it in the mix for the time being.

      It CAN make economic sense for small scale use (on individual houses or for isolated communities that would otherwise need a long - and expensive - connection to the grid).

      Prices will come down it the industry is supported, but it is not yet useful as an industrial scale power source.

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      by Jerome a Paris on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:04:42 PM PDT

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      •  I didn't realize (none)
        that it was that much more expensive, thank you for letting me know.

        Up until recently I lived in California and if a homeowner installed a solar system for their home - they got up to a combined 75% back in rebates from the state and the Feds.  Due to the rolling blackouts, I knew a number of clients and businesses that had the solar panels installed and were able to get off the grid.  It also seemed like smaller and smaller cells were needed to get the same amount of power generation along with less and less sunlight.

        Up here in Oregon I plan on going solar also, but haven't had a chance to see about rebates or whether it will be cost-efficient with the amount of cloudy days we have.

        "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful & murder respectable, & to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." ~ George Orwell

        by Pandora on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 05:15:20 PM PDT

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