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  •  How about Estonia, Poland, and Lithuania? (4+ / 0-)

    You know, the actual members who have been asking for help?

    Were you aware of them?

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:37:18 AM PDT

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    •  The proof that they need no help (7+ / 0-)

      can be found in the token nature of our "help."

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:38:50 AM PDT

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      •  That's just embarrassingly wrong. (5+ / 0-)

        That is an absurd statement on so many levels.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:41:58 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, because Russia is so keen to attack (7+ / 0-)

          NATO member states.  Right.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:43:58 AM PDT

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          •  Why is Russia not keen to attack NATO member (1+ / 0-)
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            states?

            You've said yourself that we don't bother helping other countries so why should Russia care about that?

            When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

            by PhillyJeff on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:37:16 AM PDT

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            •  I'm unaware of a case in which (4+ / 0-)

              we've failed to defend a fellow NATO state when under attack from another state and requesting defense therefor.  If you know of one, please provide.

              Furthermore, when we let a country go hang, it's because our MIC can't derive a more or less risk-free profit from it.  

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:39:46 AM PDT

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          •  Are you aware of any facts on the ground? (6+ / 0-)

            Russia demanded, and eventually forced an agreement with Lithuania to transport troops, tanks, and weapons to its itty bitty filthy concrete wasteland known as Kaliningrad Oblast?  The Russians kicked out all the germans there in 1947 and have made it a warm water military base. It is surrounded by Poland and Lithuania, and many times, the Russians have indicated that they tire of traveling through Nato countries simply to supply their people. Their solution has been to take over those pesky Nato countries that are in their way.

            I've heard that tour groups now visit Kaliningrad, even though it was a closed city until 1991. One of the most favored tourist attractions is the highway leaving the region.

            Lithuanians greatly fear the Russian bear, with good reason. I was there in 1991, just after the Russian tanks rolled over several unarmed Lithuanians. I was there when concrete floors were torn up in former KGB buildings leading to the discovery of hundreds of tortured "missing" corpses who crossed some imaginary line that Moscow and the KGB created. I was teaching there when Moscow turned off the gas supply to Lithuania, causing ambulances to be replaced by horse drawn carts to transport sick and injured to hospital.

            I suspect that your knowledge about that region is very incomplete. A bit of reading would help tremendously.

            What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

            by agnostic on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 10:36:02 AM PDT

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            •  This is a lie (3+ / 0-)
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              " Their solution has been to take over those pesky Nato countries that are in their way."

              They have done nothing of the sort.

              … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

              by mosesfreeman on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 11:21:25 AM PDT

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              •  You have never read the Lithuanian (2+ / 0-)
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                papers quoting various Russian officials, then, have you? I have.

                No lie, just ignorance on the part of too many americans.

                What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

                by agnostic on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 11:24:19 AM PDT

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                •  Its just CT (2+ / 0-)
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                  unless you can prove it.

                  Worthless, unsupported speculation is both destructive and unwelcome.

                  … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                  by mosesfreeman on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 11:48:53 AM PDT

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                  •  bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
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                    If you have no clue about the actual, serious fears in the Baltic states, then the least you could do is to stop baseless accusations about CT. Your ignorance is astounding.

                    I've been there, many times.  I've read the reports during negotiations for transit through Lithuania. I've seen the quotes from russian officials.

                    Have you ever even been outside of the US? And no, New Jersey does not count.

                    What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

                    by agnostic on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 11:54:24 AM PDT

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                    •  You have asserted (2+ / 0-)
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                      that Russia plans to attack Lithuania. You can't prove your assertions, so you go all ad-hominem.

                      Pitiful and predictable.

                      Russia will not attack Lithuania, Putin is not that stupid.

                      You are engaging in reckless fear-mongering.

                      Btw I was in Poland the day that Solidarnosc was legalized, we fully expected the Red Army to come out in force and crush the celebrants. What we got instead was crickets (thankfully!).

                      I know a thing or two about legitimate fear of Russia, this case doesn't qualify.

                      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                      by mosesfreeman on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:18:50 PM PDT

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                      •  Russia has used threats (0+ / 0-)

                        repeatedly to get what it wanted in terms of transit through Lithuania with military convoys. Those threats were repeatedly reported in papers quoting russian officials.

                        Given your tone and general lack of knowledge, I find it hard to believe that you actually traveled outside of your state. That is CT until you show me proof of it.

                        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

                        by agnostic on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:29:34 PM PDT

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                        •  All bluster (2+ / 0-)
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                          and no substance. You are a political scarecrow.

                          Take your CT elsewhere.

                          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                          by mosesfreeman on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 12:35:28 PM PDT

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                        •  What do you want? (1+ / 0-)
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                          My left-over Pewex bons? Old Zubrowka or Zywiec labels?

                          I've told you enough already that I am exactly who I say I am. You on the other hand are a fraud and a huckster. Begone!

                          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

                          by mosesfreeman on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:16:26 PM PDT

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