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  •  Left it vague on purpose. Ukraine ISN'T and that's (1+ / 0-)
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    a lesson for the observer.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:38:05 AM PDT

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    •  but apparently not a lesson (3+ / 0-)

      for Obama, Kerry & Co.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:41:27 AM PDT

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      •  I said most of my opinions about Kerry in 2004. (10+ / 0-)

        Not worth repeating, but put it this way: Dean should have been the nominee.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        —Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:47:10 AM PDT

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        •  I'm more interested in his performance (3+ / 0-)
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          in his current gig . . . which, quite frankly, has been frequently embarrassing.

          Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

          by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:48:34 AM PDT

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          •  "has been frequently embarrassing" (3+ / 0-)
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            What specifically are you referring to?

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:56:10 AM PDT

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            •  Oh, so much to choose from. (4+ / 0-)

              Sisi's "restoring democracy"; Assad's "Munich Moment" . . .

              Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

              by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:02:39 AM PDT

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              •  But he wanted to be Sec.State SOOOO badly!/nt (0+ / 0-)

                Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
                I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
                —Spike Milligan

                by polecat on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 08:30:08 AM PDT

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              •  So what is the solution then? (1+ / 0-)
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                You support military intervention in both Egypt and Syria?

                He could cut a WWE style promo and scream into the camera about how Egypt's new government is more of the same and how Assad is a big bad meanie. What is that going to accomplish?

                We're not going into Syria. Egypt is an extremely difficult situation as there isn't really a democratic alternative to Sisi and anything we do risks destabilizing the country further.

                It really bugs me sometimes how people on the left seem to think that with the right speech and the right bully pulpit anything in the world can easily be fixed.

                When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

                by PhillyJeff on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:40:37 AM PDT

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                •  It really bugs me how (4+ / 0-)

                  "people on the left" are so eager to assume that supporting false statements or bad leadership is always the best course of action . . . when it's one of "our guys."

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:47:47 AM PDT

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                •  and as always (1+ / 0-)
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                  your sig line is superbly ironic. :-)))

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:48:06 AM PDT

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                •  unless you mean of course to say (0+ / 0-)

                  that it's the leaders of the present we should be putting up on pedestals . . .

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 09:49:05 AM PDT

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                  •  No, I think it's hilarious that people lionize FDR (1+ / 0-)
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                    when he was probably the worst president in the history of America in respect to civil liberties with Japanese internment.

                    As bad as slavery was and as terrible as slavery-supporting presidents were, slavery was implicitly legal and protected by the constitution (other white men who are beloved by progressives everywhere btw).

                    So when I see the same people who think Obama should be more like FDR yell about how Obama is somehow a cross between 1984's Big Brother and Stalin it's amusing to me.

                    If Obama simply expanded Guantanamo Bay and tried to put every Muslim or Arab in it he'd be much closer to FDR.

                    When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

                    by PhillyJeff on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 05:58:41 PM PDT

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                    •  Whoever you're talking to, (0+ / 0-)

                      it ain't me.  I wasn't referring to FDR at all, much less his internment of Japanese Americans.

                      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                      by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:23:44 PM PDT

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                •  I was in South Korea under military rule (0+ / 0-)

                  in the 1960s, as a Peace Corps Volunteer. It was apparently that or an utterly corrupt US puppet government (Syngman Rhee). They have evolved to a state of democratic/republican government in which they are OK with putting a former President on trial and in prison, a state which we have not yet attained.

                  The notion that setting up elections creates a democracy is fatuous. You need formal, functioning checks and balances within government, and you need a civil society that can punch back at the ballot box and in court (but not with guns).

                  Most current democracies went through major civil war or the creation and collapse of dictatorships in the process of getting to that state. The English Civil War and Protectorate, the American Civil War, the Spanish Civil War, the Greek Civil War, Italian unification, German unification, the French Revolution, all of the Communist and anti-Communist dictatorships of the Cold War, nearly all post-colonial countries…

                  Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

                  by Mokurai on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 07:16:28 PM PDT

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              •  Again, do you seriously think (1+ / 0-)
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                that it would have been different with a different SoS? it was the requirement of the position at the time to go out and foam at the mouth, Rumsfeld-style, so the President could sit back and look grave, wise, and judicious; hope to stir up a war, but know that if your attempt backfires, the President's reputation will remain undamaged. Kerry was Obama's sin eater, on that occasion--or, better way to put it, DERP eater.

                Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 01:19:13 PM PDT

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                •  no. so what? n/t (0+ / 0-)

                  Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                  by corvo on Mon Apr 28, 2014 at 03:44:42 PM PDT

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                  •  My point, which might not be that interesting (0+ / 0-)

                    I guess, is that we are--to some extent--past the point where the personalities and abilities of individual politicians as compared to other individual politicians, mean much of anything at all, just like it doesn't matter which puppet is put out on the Punch and Judy stage.

                    There are exceptions, of course; there are politicians who really enjoy the Punch and Judy show, and enjoy the real aims of those manipulating it, and they're worse. There are politicians who are actually fairly decent people who try to water down the poison of the policies they're being made to inscribe into law or enact through our police, military, and spooks. But those differences shrink all the time. The important part is who is pulling the strings.

                    Sure once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings, learned all the old union hymns. Ah, but I've grown older and wiser. And that's why I'm turning you in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52Oz-54VYw

                    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 08:52:08 AM PDT

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                    •  Beside the point. (0+ / 0-)

                      Even puppets, however interchangeable, can be replaced.

                      But unlike politicians, you can make good use of a failed puppet: kindling, for instance.  Politicians just continue to cause more harm: as lobbyists, or university presidents, for instance.

                      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                      by corvo on Tue Apr 29, 2014 at 10:27:24 AM PDT

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