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  •  Executions are "botched" more often than many (9+ / 0-)

    know. The big surprise to me in MSNBC coverage last night was lack of focus on what appears an even bigger issue going far beyond executions.

    The report was that the Oklahoma Supreme Court had ruled for the plaintiff on the technical matter of the "secret" drugs, stayed the execution and the Governor had said she'd go ahead despite that ruling. That would make her an "outlaw" but apparently the court caved!

    If we are in a situation where governors can defy the judicial system without consequence we are indeed past any form of democracy except the mob. The system is flat out broken if that is the actual situation in Oklahoma and elsewhere.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

    by pelagicray on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:25:17 AM PDT

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    •  Andrew Jackson did it to the SCOTUS; republicons (2+ / 0-)
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      are dictators by nature. They don't respect the "rule of law".  They only respect money &/or power.

      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:25:25 AM PDT

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    •  What democracy? (0+ / 0-)

      nosotros no somos estúpidos

      by a2nite on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:25:59 AM PDT

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      •  Actually this demonstrates mob democracy. Enough (3+ / 0-)
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        people vote for people unwilling to follow a constitution, a document intended to place limits on raw democracy and, in our system, protect the rights of those not in a temporary majority, and you have pure, raw, mob democracy without legal limits. Call it a lord of the flies system.

        This is a case where we should have something in the national constitution strictly enforcing the rule of law in the states. Then ideologues and "states rights" agitators are much more interested in enforcing their will than our system. Also, if pigs had wings . . .

        I hear lots of—as late as last night in a discussion of how the U.S. now matches an oligarchy—of "should" haves. The reality is that we have the wealthy 1% combined with the hard core nutter 20% we seem to have against every step of progress gridlocking our politics now. Combine that with an apathetic general citizenry that cannot be bothered to actually vote when it really counts in local, state and midterm elections to clean those bastards out so progress can be made on things hard science supports any national enforcement of constitutional systems is hopeless.

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. [Elbert Hubbard]

        by pelagicray on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 08:16:46 AM PDT

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    •  The Legislature also threatened to (4+ / 0-)

      impeach the Justices for daring to stay the execution.
      But as you said, Fallin was going to ignore them anyway (that would have made an interesting court case), and it all went bad, and now they look like idiots (not that that is anything new down there).

      Your beliefs don't make you a better person. Your behavior does.

      by skohayes on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:42:34 AM PDT

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    •  I haven't seen this anywhere: (1+ / 0-)
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      The report was that the Oklahoma Supreme Court had ruled for the plaintiff on the technical matter of the "secret" drugs, stayed the execution and the Governor had said she'd go ahead despite that ruling. That would make her an "outlaw" but apparently the court caved!
      Do you have a link?  I find it absolutely extraordinary.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:11:17 AM PDT

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    •  Nevermind (1+ / 0-)
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      I found the same information in an NYT article.  The governor defying the state's supreme court.  Incredible.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 10:24:17 AM PDT

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