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  •  There is not settlement to be had. (8+ / 0-)

    Trying to reach a settlement with the insurgents in the East is like trying to reach a settlement with the Republicans in Congress. They don't want one; blowing things up and refusing to make deals so that the government takes the blame for the disorder and its consequences is their purpose.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:40:29 AM PDT

    •  Possibly. But it's likely that, unlike (2+ / 0-)
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      soccer hooligans, these people have a goal in mind beyond 'blow shit up.'

      Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

      by Dauphin on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:45:29 AM PDT

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      •  I was using "blowing things up" metaphorically... (0+ / 0-)

        to mean "causing problems and preventing the government from being able to address them in order to discredit it."

        The Republicans in Congress aren't literally planting bombs, but they're "blowing up the place."

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:16:18 AM PDT

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    •  well, the interim government is responsible for (4+ / 0-)

      the disorder, at least in the sense that it was composed exclusively of supporters of the Maidan protest movement and included no representation whatsoever from the eastern oblasts

      We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

      by Lepanto on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:50:32 AM PDT

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      •  Worst "at least in the sense" ever. (2+ / 0-)
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        Really, the poor babies had no choice but to start murdering journalists and shooting at the police.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:17:16 AM PDT

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      •  Yanukovich's Party of Regions is still around, but (0+ / 0-)

        do you really expect that if the leader of one party flees under charges of massive corruption that his party MPs will just be handed half of the ministries of government and everyone will carry on like nothing happened? Of course, they became a minority party when a new coalition government deal was brokered, but that's not the end of the world. You don't see chaos (or threats of foreign invasion) every time a new coalition elects an new PM. The charges of "fascism" and "tyranny" began instantly when Yanukovich fled, long before there was any chance for actual tyranny to have occurred. These complaints are being vastly exaggerated and driven largely by propaganda. Eastern Ukraine is a fact free zone right now, dominated by Russian propaganda. That's why they have to take over any Ukrainian TV stations that contradict their message. They are afraid the propaganda might not be resonating with the people.

        Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

        by tekno2600 on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:43:31 PM PDT

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