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  •  We're going to enter into this dreary pattern (1+ / 0-)
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    where the older white, disgruntled folks will overwhelm us with Republicans in off elections, then in presidential elections it'll swing back to younger, minority, Democratic voters. It's shaping up to be a "wave" election for the GOP which Fox and the other usual suspects will tout as the "revival" of the GOP and even the "destruction" or at least "overrating" of Democratic demographics for about a year or two. Then the pattern will start to reverse and it'll start looking like a "wave" for Democrats.

    All of this chest-beating, repetitive analysis, and filling up of blog space and newsprint will keep beating up against this
    current, irreducible pattern. That includes many posters here about how Democrats "lose" because they suck. Yeah, they'll suck till 2016. Then this dreary, predictable present idiocy will happen all over again.

    "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

    by Wildthumb on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 09:33:52 AM PDT

    •  The Founding Fathers were smart (2+ / 0-)
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      but whoever introduced compulsory voting was much, much smarter.

      •  I'd go for making voting mandatory. We might (0+ / 0-)

        win every fucking election and change the Republican Party overnight. They'd "green up," "minority up," relax their gun attitudes, the whole schmear.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 02:13:05 PM PDT

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    •  We need a more reliable base (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe try to reach out those seniors, whites etc. The Republicans always seem to be able to count on their base to come out us not so much. It didn't used to this way seniors used to tilt quite D back then especially in the 90s.

      •  We started losing the white working class in the (1+ / 0-)
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        sixties, period. Then came "Reagan Democrats," which were really a new Republican thrust, in spite of their continuing to believe in much progressive stuff. A lot of it is visceral, and not rational, I think. Older, white wage earners are pissed at everybody, but mostly at us younger, browner, single, progressive, pro-government types. This will pass away over time, and I look forward to a new paradigm of voting patterns.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:43:51 PM PDT

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      •  When seniors were the ones who had lived through (1+ / 0-)
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        the Great Depression, WWII and the Roosevelt administrations they were pretty much reliable Ds.

        Now that the Greatest Generation is virtually gone, we've lost the group memory of those times and how the government came in and saved the country and the world.

        Today's Seniors barely remember the introduction of Medicare and while they like it, many seem to ignore the fact that it was primarily the Democratic Party that gave it to them.

        I'd like to know what happened to the 60s radicals who were going to change the world. Somewhere along the path to today they lost their way.

        Of course desegregation, the voting rights act, Nixon's southern strategy, several generations of solid R messaging and Reagan molded a lot of minds that now look more favorable on the Rs.

        It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

        by auapplemac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:20:20 PM PDT

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    •  It only swung to younger and minority voters (1+ / 0-)
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      because Obama was running. His youthfulness, positive message and history breaking election possibility aroused the interest of these groups as well as female voters.

      What will energize they when it's Hillary or some little known Dem.

      It’s the Supreme Court, stupid! Followed by: It's always the Supreme Court! Progressives will win only when we convince a majority that they, too, are Progressive.

      by auapplemac on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:05:25 PM PDT

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      •  Hillary's a woman. An electable woman. That's (0+ / 0-)

        a freaking big deal to huge amounts of women, and if they turn out with enthusiasm they WILL carry her to the presidency. And I think the enthusiasm will explode if and when she declares.  Not to mention almost all minority peoples, especially most blacks and Latinos.

        "The soil under the grass is dreaming of a young forest, and under the pavement the soil is dreaming of grass."--Wendell Berry

        by Wildthumb on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 05:59:30 PM PDT

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