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  •  I've always been curious how family of victims (4+ / 0-)

    React post-execution after seeing a person put to death who killed their family member.  I've never seen a study on this.  I'll bet rather than a sense of long-term relief a high % suffer from PTSD.  Especially so if the execution was botched like this one.  My guess if they get some very temporary relief of knowing the person is gone, but after that a good many probably have nightmares and such for a long time afterwards.

    •  Really, I doubt our state apparatus (1+ / 0-)
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      (that's plural, btw) care any more about victim families than they do about, say, returning veterans.

      Which is to say: not at all.

      This is all vengeance to satisfy the bloodlust of the masses.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 04:02:25 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, most of the families that issue (0+ / 0-)

      statements seem quite happy that the execution has finally happened.  Their usual complaint is that it took so long.

      Here is the actual statement by the family of the woman Clayton Lockett beat, raped, had shot twice, and then had buried alive: http://www.kjrh.com/...

      God blessed us with our precious daughter, Stephanie for 19 years. Stephanie loved children.

      She worked in Vacation Bible School and always helped with our Church nativity scenes. She was the joy of our life. We are thankful this day has finally arrived and justice will finally be served.

      Susie and Steve Neiman, 4-29-14

      •  Sigh. Another inaccurate Beelzebub comment. (0+ / 0-)

        Chadman,

        Here are some good things to read regarding the reactions of victims' families:

        Frontline: An Argument Against Allowing the Families of Murder Victims to View Executions

        Death Penalty Information Center - New Voices - Victims' Families

        Death Penalty Can Prolong Suffering for Victims' Families

        A lot don't get the closure that they believed they would feel after the execution.

        Here are some other quotes:

        After viewing an execution, some families have felt disappointment and increased vengeance rather than closure. Families believe the executed died too easily or they wish they could watch the execution again and again, or devise a more painful form of execution.
        Other family members of murder victims have sought to abolish the very form of punishment that the state offers them as consolation. A murder victim's daughter-in-law formed a group opposed to the death penalty, reasoning, "[h]ow could we stand as murder victims, in our pain and sorrow, and give it to someone else's family as well?" Offended by the state's offer of retribution, Marrietta Yeager, whose daughter was abducted and murdered during a family camping trip, stated "[t]o say an execution of some malfunctioning individual would help me heal insults the memory of my little girl. She is worthy of a more noble, honorable, and beautiful memorial.
        Ronald Carlson wanted vengeance when his sister was murdered in 1983 in Texas.  But when he witnessed the execution in 1998 of the person who committed the murder he changed his mind. In a recent op-ed in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, Carlson said he  had no opinion on capital punishment before his sister’s death and remembers feeling hatred and “would have killed those responsible with my own hands if given the opportunity.” But he later discovered that, “Watching the execution left me with horror and emptiness, confirming what I had already come to realize: Capital punishment only continues the violence that has a powerful, corrosive effect on society.”
        Some people do feel closure or at least a little peace. The reactions vary. But I wanted to make sure that all the other evidence out there about how victims' families react was heard here.

        Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. -Thoreau

        by CenPhx on Thu May 01, 2014 at 12:12:17 PM PDT

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        •  None of the sources you cite have anything in them (0+ / 0-)

          that disputes my assertion that the majority of families seem happy the execution has occurred.

          Amusingly, one of your references includes complaints by the victims' families that the executions are not painful enough:  http://www.pbs.org/...

          After viewing an execution, some families have felt disappointment and increased vengeance rather than closure. Families believe the executed died too easily or they wish they could watch the execution again and again, or devise a more painful form of execution.[4] "He died an extremely lot easier than my daughter did.....He got a spiritual advisor, the choice of a last meal. I wish I'd had a last chance to be with my daughter," commented Elizabeth Harvey after witnessing Robert Lee Willie's electrocution.[5] After realizing the execution did not eliminate his suffering or frustration, Vernon Harvey later commented to Willie's spiritual advisor, "Know what they should've done with Willie?.....They should've strapped him in that chair, counted to ten, then at the count of nine taken him out of the chair and let him sit in his cell for a day or two and then strapped him in the chair again."[6]
          •  Speaking of not reading a comment before replying (0+ / 0-)

            I actually quoted the exact passage you laughingly refer to, but where you think it amusing that a victim's family would become more and more bloodthirsty as they find that an execution does not actually make them feel better, I see that as incredibly sad evidence that the death penalty doesn't provide solace to the victims' families.

            Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. -Thoreau

            by CenPhx on Fri May 02, 2014 at 03:14:21 PM PDT

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