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  •  I'm thinking: (2+ / 0-)
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    Putin plans to grab East Ukraine, either under the auspices of a "Republic of Donbass" totally dependent on Putin or annexed outright. Leave the West up to the US and EU, given his constant rhetoric about their responsibility. The unrest is spreading there as well, with Neo-Nazi marchers in Lviv and clashes between various right-wing groups in Kyiv. Then, I'm thinking he plans to grab massive resources in the Arctic and cut major deals with Iran and China.

    "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

    by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 03:19:21 PM PDT

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    •  Well, I tend to agree with alot of your... (4+ / 0-)
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      views.  Once Eastern Ukraine falls under Russian control, Putin effectively stripped that nation of any resources (other than food), and industry from the Ukraine.  He'll probably try to seize a land corridor to the Crimea, and take more Black sea ports for exports.  And yes, I agree with the Iran and China deals.  Not sure if the rest of the Ukraine would fall into complete anarchy.  Those USED to be Polish lands....Poland might be tempted.

    •  Also a corridor through Lithuania... (1+ / 0-)
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      or a total neutralization of that country so he can make a continental connection with his isolated Kaliningrad.

      •  That would trigger World War III. (2+ / 0-)
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        Lithuania is a member of NATO.

        "The cost of liberty is less than the price of repression." - W.E.B. Du Bois Be informed. Fight the Police State.

        by Eternal Hope on Wed Apr 30, 2014 at 06:39:35 PM PDT

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        •  Most 'Muricans arn't good with maps, (1+ / 0-)
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          Or who is, and who isn't a member of NATO, or the G8, or the G20,

          But they are real good at ascribing Global Hedgemonic dreams to everyone from minor players like Noriega, through Hussien, on up,......

          I blame all the Bond Movies.

          Oh, and the NYT Propoganda.

          •  Look smarty pants... (0+ / 0-)

            Russia has already forced Lithuania to allow transit and sometimes overnight bivouacing of troops and military supplies on their way to Kaliningrad. How do I know? - because I have very good friends who are currently living in Vilnius. I very well know who is in NATO, the G8 and the G20.

            Your snide comment is about as helpful as if I would come off with something like...

            "Jay hates 'Muricans so much that he wholeheartedly supports any dictator that causes them grief - that especially included such global do-gooders like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceausescu and the like.

            Gee... that was fun! Can we play some more?

        •  I know this... (0+ / 0-)

          but the population is already somewhat frozen even in the current situation with the troop buildup and the Kaliningrad situation. I wouldn't be surprised that if Putin is successful in Ukraine, that he would try to get a de facto corridor through  to that area. As you know, the Moldovians are also concerned that they might be next on the menu.

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