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  •  marina, thanks for this list. Precisous! (3+ / 0-)
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    I will pass it along to my contacts in Colorado who are fighting these monsters too.

    Oregon is fighting the oil trains coming through.  The Portland Fire Chief just said that she has no tools to fight these kinds of fires.

    We must suspect these rapacious corporations of stooping to any level because they will.

    We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

    by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:25:57 AM PDT

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    •  Here is an Action link (3+ / 0-)
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      to help Stop the Killer Oil Trains

      (Well, we have to try, anyway, no matter if the oil and gas lobby is way stronger than we are. We have to try.)

      •  Thanks, marina (2+ / 0-)
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        I really believe in networking on this and other corporate harms being visited upon communities by the drunk-on-power corporations.

        We are literally fighting them in our own backyards now.

        I take a great deal of hope in the Community Rights Movement where small towns/counties write and pass ordinances based on their own inherent right to self-governance for their own safety, health and welfare to ban these harms.

        Colorado is taking it to the next step: after several towns have banned fracking, the COCRN has a statewide ballot measure #75 to amend their state constitution to enshrine community rights to allow them to fight any and all corporate harms.

        We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

        by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:07:25 AM PDT

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        •  Colorado is the first state in the U.S. to (3+ / 0-)
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          specifically regulate methane emissions from oil and gas operations, and that is the kind of measure to control the oil and gas industry that Democrats should be focusing on in order to enforce environmental law instead of pursuing the obsession of banning hydraulic fracturing.

          •  Heh, here's to obsessions then! (3+ / 0-)

            Leave it all in the ground! If we can't do it today, then let's get moving even faster on alternatives! Tie the oil subsidies to R&D of sustainable energies! Send the petro engineers back to school to learn new stuff! There's research to be done, funding to be had, conservation to be preached! Hup hup hup!
            ;-)

            •  Marina, there is indeed not a moment to lose (2+ / 0-)
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              The status quo has always preached about its own necessity; however, there is nothing so constant as change.

              The fact that the Big Energy guys have drug their heels this long, giving us LNG and fracking as extremely harmful temporary fixes is their fault not ours. And it is no reason not to act to change course.

              We MUST leave some of this in the ground. For climate change remediation but also to preserve it for the future.

              We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

              by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:15:20 AM PDT

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              •  There's another element (2+ / 0-)
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                We also have to get the consumers to care enough to make a change, too. I live in a pretty progressive area of Oregon, and there are still so many people here who gas up their hummers and suburbans weekly, and when anyone suggests they ought to switch to something more gas efficient they recoil like someone has just suggested their dominant limb be cut off. Lots and lots of people in this country dedicated to their soccer-team toting, off-roading, toy-hauling guzzlers.

                We can push toward more R&D for sustainable alternatives all we want but it won't make a darned bit of difference unless a large majority (better yet, all) of the population don't want to buy them. There are people who wouldn't take a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Volt or Tesla if you were offering it to them for free (unless they could immediately sell it, and put a new custom muffler on the Ram 3500 and buy another RV)

                We are all students and teachers. I often ask myself: "What did I come here to learn, and what did I come to teach?"

                by nerafinator on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:35:48 PM PDT

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            •  Which of these industries in the United States are (0+ / 0-)

              you prepared to agree that need to precipitously terminate  by saying no more use or processing of fossil fuels:

              cement
              asphalt
              plastics
              nitrogen fertilizers from ammonia
              all of the military use of hydrocarbons
              all aviation
              metals processing and smelting
              all iron and steel industry

              You are the Democrat decisionmaker.

              You have to defend your decision to the Nation.

              Chose.... and you must chose if you are serious about Democrats and governance and you make "leave it in the ground' as your mantra, instead of practicing energy conservation and stewardship.

          •  LakeSuperior, I salute you for your life's work (4+ / 0-)
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            in this field. However, the structure of environmental law is part of a regulatory box which allows the people only small concessions and never grants them the right to say no.

            They have the right to say no if it is their community and they are saying no across the nation to these harms.

            We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

            by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 11:17:52 AM PDT

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            •  Your comment is a denial of Democrat's heritage (1+ / 0-)
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              with Senator Muskie and Democrats' commitment to
              environmental and natural resources protection started over 40 years. ago.

              Environmental protection is not a religion.   What environmental protection is the application of law, science, engineering and medicine to protecting public health and natural resources.

              Engaging in orchestrated science denial, which is what Gasland does, may stir up a lot of emotion and scare a lot of people.   But scared people and science denial does not and will not accomplish environmental improvement.

              •  LakeSuperior, We have a beautiful heritage (1+ / 0-)
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                and a long history of good stewardship. However, ALEC, the Kochs, and too many corporate attorneys have slanted those rules and regs. Politicians working for their wealthy constituents have gutted regulatory agencies so there are too few inspectors, too few fines, too little oversight.

                The heritage has been eroded so that we have communities being harmed by corporate practices that regulations allow.

                It is not about banning this or that. It is about communities having the rights to self-governance to decide what they want for themselves in the way of safety, health and welfare.

                Engaging in orchestrated science denial, which is what Gasland does, may stir up a lot of emotion and scare a lot of people.   But scared people and science denial does not and will not accomplish environmental improvement.
                How about denial of citizen's rights? They are supposed to disbelieve their own eyes when they see flames coming from their faucets? Science is bought and paid for the same way our politicians have been.

                We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

                by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:59:59 PM PDT

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                •  If you are talking about the flaming faucets you (0+ / 0-)

                  viewed in Gasland, then you should be aware that what you were shown in that movie was not caused by hydraulic fracturing, nor operations of the oil and gas industry.

                  The two specific cases Josh Fox depicted in both flaming faucet scenes in Gasland were conclusively demonstrated to be NOT caused by either hydraulic fracturing, nor oil and gas industry operations.

                  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/...

                  As a result, what Josh Fox did in the movie was to manufacture evidence and causation at the scene.  That may be good drama for a movie maker and an accepted technique among corrupt police abusers during traffic stops.  

                  But when it comes to documentary journalism and law / science / engineering what Josh Fox did with the flaming faucets scene is scientific misconduct and erroneous attribution of the causation of the problem.    And doing so in the manner he did is part of the organized lying campaign.

                  First, Josh Fox claims the flaming faucets were caused by

                •  Just so you know (1+ / 0-)
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                  I have been deeply involved in the Parker County flaming water case and what Lake Superior writes is now true. He pretends he knows what's going on but he does not know the inside baseball. I do. Keep watching.

            •  It doesn't matter what the (1+ / 0-)
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              environmental laws are if they are not enforced because regulators have conflicts of interest and if they don't keep up with the changing development.

              This is why even in Denton, Texas they are saying no to fracking.

      •  Here's another Action link (1+ / 0-)
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        to stop oil export terminals in the Pacific Northwest, Grays Harbor in Washington specifically. If you know the area, you know there is no way they can afford even a single incident--not that anyone can. http://action.foe.org/...

        •  Thanks, marina (0+ / 0-)

          Grays Harbor is a small area, not a lot of people.

          The Canadians won't let that explosive stuff through British Columbia--their jewel.

          In Oregon, we are not very happy with our politicians who seem to like this despite a lot of protests. The oil corps have already cheated on the amount of oil they are allowed to ship and there is talk that the Governor knew about it.

          We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

          by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 08:22:11 PM PDT

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    •  Yes! (3+ / 0-)
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      Oregon is fighting the oil trains coming through.  The Portland Fire Chief just said that she has no tools to fight these kinds of fires.
      I'm very proud of the people in my state (Oregon) for how much they take notice of these things and stand up against them. :)

      We are all students and teachers. I often ask myself: "What did I come here to learn, and what did I come to teach?"

      by nerafinator on Thu May 01, 2014 at 01:29:45 PM PDT

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      •  If only we are listened to. (0+ / 0-)

        We have come a long way from Tom McCall who knew that Oregon could have prosperity without pollution. Our present regime is pretty cozy with the corporate boys.

        We have it within our power to make the world over again ~ Thomas Paine

        by occupystephanie on Thu May 01, 2014 at 08:24:02 PM PDT

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