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  •  And just as meaningful? nt (3+ / 0-)
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    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

    by sidnora on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:52:45 AM PDT

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    •  I think it would be just as meaningful (7+ / 0-)

      as it would be red meat for the base. Republicans only vote to repeal the ACA because they believe it will motivate their base to donate and vote. If we proposed 15$ an hour and voted on it 50 times in the Senate (even if it was dead on arrival in the House) then we would have a major case to make to voters that they need to get out and vote. Our enthusiasm gap would shrink significantly.  

      “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

      by Tool on Thu May 01, 2014 at 08:14:28 AM PDT

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      •  Certainly, (0+ / 0-)

        it's better for them to be holding symbolic votes on bills we support than not holding the votes because they know the GOP will block it anyway. It's good politics, yes.

        But it gets pretty old when what I'd really like to see is some actual governance taking place. And taking a realistic look at our prospects in the midterms, I don't see any hope for a more productive Congress in the foreseeable future. Just paralysis, as far as the eye can see.

        Sorry, I'm under the weather, so maybe my political outlook is, too.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:17:24 AM PDT

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      •  perhaps actually delivering (0+ / 0-)

        a minimum wage would but I find that peoples bs. meters are on full tilt these days. Letting the Bush tax cuts remain still sticks in peoples craws. Using the minimum wage as a incentive to voters when the senate still has this farce of a filibuster procedural rule in place for no damn good reason somehow seems to be cart before the horse politically. How many chips like extended unemployment benefits have the Dems used to sweeten the pot and then turned around and bartered them away? The senate has a big problem as their credibility is nil.

        The kabuki just doesn't move me no more. All that dry powder flying around gets in the way of seeing any movement forward. The time has come for the senate Dems to stand and deliver something that isn't a victory for compromise and to start obstructing the minority the Republicans. Cart before the horse unhinged from reality electoral politicking isn't going to get any one enthusiastic. If it does and we win will the poor get a wage hike that is liveable? Or will they just keep dangling this carrot election after election?          

    •  This is how you bring your voters to the polls (2+ / 0-)
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      If you can't win on policy, you leverage your political losses in order to stoke the anger of your base against the opposition, so that you can win on policy in the next Congress.  

      Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

      by Big River Bandido on Thu May 01, 2014 at 09:23:12 AM PDT

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    •  more meaningful -- dems can keep the (0+ / 0-)

      Senate and take the House in 2014, and pass minimum wage legislation by Jan 2015.   Rs can't repeal Obamacare until at least 2017.

      •  If you believe (0+ / 0-)

        that we can take the House this fall, I've got bridge I'd like to sell you. I live in Brooklyn.

        Nothing would make me happier. I am making donations where I think they will have the most effect and have chosen the campaign I plan to volunteer for this fall. But if we accomplish more than hanging on to the Senate and picking up a very few seats in the House, I will happily buy you a cup of coffee and a nice piece of pie. Flavor of your choice.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Thu May 01, 2014 at 07:00:48 PM PDT

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