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  •  Iknew it but it bears saying it out aloud, (13+ / 0-)

    those people are crazy and extremely dangerous.

    If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

    by weezilgirl on Sun May 04, 2014 at 09:55:15 AM PDT

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    •  what scares me is not so much the individuals (19+ / 0-)

      who do this but the number of people in the public who support them.
      Consider the behavior of these guys:
      http://www.rawstory.com/...
      Their entering the restaurant with guns fully displayed is their right but at the same time, the employees also have a right to react to a group of armed men entering their establishment.

      The group has threatened to publish the names and addresses as well as personal information of anyone who calls 911 about their behavior
      http://crooksandliars.com/...

      I guess in their minds, in a perfect world, an employee should not be alarmed until someone actually points a gun in their face and says "Give me all your money"    

      •  Thank you. (18+ / 0-)

        If I were in a Jack In The Box and a bunch of people came in carrying guns, I would be so out of there. I'd faint if one man  carried a gun into the feed store where I buy my chicken feed. And we all know each other here.

        A woman in training at the prison waved a loaded 357 around her head while being trained to shoot and about 12 of us were behind the supply shed before you could shout "hey". And she is just an idiot, not someone trying to scare you on purpose.

        I will never believe that these criminals don't know that they are scaring people. Someone could have a heart attack during one of their "demonstrations". It is very telling that they didn't have signage and didn't call the police before they went to the restaurant. Small weenie carriers.

        If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

        by weezilgirl on Sun May 04, 2014 at 10:49:49 AM PDT

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        •  what is most galling is their threat to publish (11+ / 0-)

          the name and address along with other personal information of anyone who dares to call 911 about their antics.  To be sure, there must be some statute to protect people from other people who are determined to bully them.

          I note that the new "safe" gun manufacturer is under pressure currently from "Slippery Slope" CT types as well as any store which offers the gun for sale.  Since we are discussing constitutional rights, if these Second Amendment advocates would be all exercised that their antics are preventing me from purchasing a firearm i wish to purchase

          •  that pisses me off the most too (9+ / 0-)

            I'm generally willing to tolerate a wide range of disagreement. I think their demands absurd (who the hell but the paranoid think they need to really carry a gun these days?) but this is a democracy and all the pros and cons that come with it. But threatening people like that? That's nothing but small minded bullying and intimidation and should be illegal.

            Der Weg ist das Ziel

            by duhban on Sun May 04, 2014 at 12:13:29 PM PDT

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          •  The threat to publish names is plain old bullying. (5+ / 0-)

            Cowards bully. Rational people don't need to. Anyone who carries a gun into a public place to "prove" something is crazy. And I'll say that to anyone who feels the need to carry the symbol of the small weenie.

            The insanity of not wanting us to have a safer gun is another  example of cowardice. To go after something that makes life safer shows the level of intimidation they want to employ because they are, once again,  cowardly bullies.

              I see all their posturing as cowardly bullying. What would they do if they didn't have their guns? Nothing, that is what they would do.

            If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself. Bob Dylan

            by weezilgirl on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:41:32 PM PDT

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          •  How do you thik it would be labled if (2+ / 0-)
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            A group of Non-white  citizens took over a stretch of federal land  (grounds around a monument) and and held a local competition, midnight basketball, pick up football, frisbee, even cricket --whatever, but brought their own armed guards to protect the players and bystanders.  And declared it their land to use--Free of charge.
            How long before the urban warfare--the swat team shows up and takes out the: Squatters, drug dealers or even terrorists!

          •  How would they know who called 911 and where (0+ / 0-)

            would they get that person's PII? It has always been true that anyone can call 911 anonymously for obvious reasons. Personally, I would make that call in a heartbeat.

            •  911 calls are automatically traced to the phone of (0+ / 0-)

              origin.  That way, responders can be sent even if the caller is too injured or too sick to report his address.

              In this case, it appears that someone filed a FOIA request to the local center and a low ranking employee honored the request though such information is supposed to be kept private

        •  When people (4+ / 0-)

          ...start telling Jack in the Box and other businesses that they won't be back until it's a safe place to be, the businesses (i.e., the $) will rattle the right cages - in this case the local and state authorities - to take care of this shit.  Nevada is already seeing people cancel travel plans.  They won't listen to the poor residents of the town near Bundy's ranch - hey, they're just peons like you and me - but they'll listen to their paymasters.  

          The new mantra for the left should be "Cui bono - wherever it is, that's where we'll wield our leverage". Because I'm coming to believe it's the only leverage we've got.  

          I'll have a Cafe-Mocha-Vodka-Valium Latte to go, please.

          by penelope pnortney on Mon May 05, 2014 at 03:59:53 PM PDT

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      •  On a trip to the Smokies in western NC, (6+ / 0-)
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        my wife and I were having dinner in a little restaurant in some quaint little town in the mountains.  All of a sudden, the door opened and this good ol' boy type came in -- he obviously knew everyone in the place but us -- and sat down across from the woman who apparently owned the place.  He had a box with him, which he placed on the table and then opened.  "Ah jist bought me the prettiest li'l ol' pistol here!"  The next thing we knew, he had taken what looked like a .357 Magnum out of the box and proceeded to load the damned thing!  Having grown up around guns in SD, it didn't bother me all that much, but my wife turned ashen.  I mean, he didn't act in any way threatening, but still the fact that he thought he could just open a box with a gun and ammo and load it in a public place did pretty well blow me away.  We quietly finished dinner, paid the bill, and left.  And bear in mind, that was a good fifteen years ago.  It was something that would never have happened up here in the northern Plains.  At least not then -- not sure of now, of course...

        -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

        by GulfExpat on Sun May 04, 2014 at 04:11:19 PM PDT

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        •  loading a weapon in a public place is idiotic (2+ / 0-)
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          if it is a semi, you transport it with clip out, breech open.  You don't transport loaded and you don't load in public.  You also don't load until you reach your destination, be it for hunting or the range

          Why would anyone load a gun in a restaurant?  Reminds me of the joke of the guy in the pawn shop who demanded bullets to put in the gun he was looking at and then robbed the store  

          •  The same reason an idiot (1+ / 0-)
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            would try to unjam a gun standing three feet away from a five year old girl. Yes the little girl was shot in the head and died two days later. That's why I believe in order to own a gun you should know how to and prove you can handle a gun correctly.

            •  sadly this guy kills his 11 year old nephew (1+ / 0-)
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              with an "unloaded" gun.
              http://www.rawstory.com/...
                Again, what everyone should learn before they ever touch a gun.  Assume all guns are loaded at all times.  Never "pull" a gun unless you are going to aim.  Never aim unless you intend to shoot.  Never shoot if you are not intending to "kill"

              In this case the guy should never point the gun, not even with the clip dropped and the breech open (which it obviously was not).  Never show off a gun as a trophy to someone.  Only hand a gun to someone who is trained in how to handle a gun and is prepared to receive the gun.  It should be common sense but people treat guns like toys when hand grenades might be a better simile

              •  I agree as much as I enjoy firing on a range (1+ / 0-)
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                I will never own a gun because I have seen first hand the damage a bullet will do to a body. I have seen gunshots to every part of the body. I stopped watching the local news a long time ago. It was like working in a war zone, a wasted is a sad thing and the waste makes me angry. People think guns are glamorous, but death by gun is messy, it stinks. I don't think I will ever forget the way blood and death smells. I think if people really knew they would think twice but that responsible people.

                •  that is one reason I prefer sidewheelers (0+ / 0-)

                  If you can't hit the target with 5,6, or 7 shots, then you certainly don't need 12 or 16 rounds.  I hate semis because so many people think dropping the clip disarms the gun but it doesn't.  I have watched someone trying to unload a semi and actually jack a round into the chamber.

                  IMHO, if you are going to carry a semi, you should have extra training with the semi exclusively.  But then I also think CWP carriers should have to have periodic brush up courses to get the rust out.  

              •  Regard every gun as being loaded.... (1+ / 0-)
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                that's exactly what my dad taught me when I was very young.  It saved me, too, one time.  I was out in a cow pasture with him one time when I was about 10.  He always kept a .22 pistol in the glove compartment, and while he was outside breaking open some hay bales for some cattle, I was left to my own devices.  Bored, I removed the pistol and took it out of its holster.  I was fiddling with it, put my hand in front of the barrel, contemplated pulling the trigger, but thought better of it -- remembering my dad's advice. I guess.  Anyway, instead, I aimed it at the floorboard and pulled the trigger.  Boom!  It was loaded all right.  The only damage done was that I put a hole in the floorboard near the accelerator.  I looked out the back window and saw my dad running at high speed towards the pickup.  He was so spooked that he didn't even punish me.  I think he figured the experience had put the fear of God in me, as, indeed, it had.  

                -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

                by GulfExpat on Tue May 06, 2014 at 05:03:34 PM PDT

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