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  •  You're telling me (0+ / 0-)

    Than it's meaningless to my teaching if a kid can play a Bb scale correctly or not? That that's simply a measure of the kid's SES?

    Possibly you just skimmed the conversation?

    •  I'm saying that the standardized tests (0+ / 0-)

      Indicate nothing useful about a student's education, especially music education.

      Do you know what has relevance to whether or not your students have learned to play the Bb scale correctly?

      You personally listening to your students and determining whether they have managed to play the Bb scale correctly.

      Whether or not they can fill in the right bubble on a test question in which they're asked which version of a potential sentence correction is the "right" one has NO relevance to your ability to teach a student to play the Bb scale correctly, and NO relevance to whether or not they can play the Bb scale correctly.  

      [note: "right" is in quotes, above, because the test questions are often written so poorly that there can be multiple correct answers, or no correct answer.]

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      by radical simplicity on Wed May 07, 2014 at 09:24:43 AM PDT

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      •  I'm just struck (0+ / 0-)

        By the total irrelevance to the rest of the thread you posted in. Did you just really want to write about standardized tests, and so you picked any post to respond to? Do you just search Daily Kos for "assessment", and paste in stuff wherever you see it? I'm just totally at a loss here. Nobody was talking about standardized testing. In fact, we were talking about the benefits of music education.

        •  I'm struck by your attempt to deflect (0+ / 0-)
          ... So we wrote standards to address the important things we can check learning for, and hope like hell the physical changes are happening too.
          Which was replied to with:
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          You want to assess a music teacher, create a music assessment. Not a math and ELA assessment.

          To which I lent support with my comment regarding the uselessness of the standardized tests for measuring anything related to music.

          All of which is in a diary about a music teacher being fired for not passing a standardized algebra test, unrelated to her music teaching.

          I think it's you who is clearly off topic.

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          by radical simplicity on Wed May 07, 2014 at 11:19:45 AM PDT

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          •  The word assessment (0+ / 0-)

            Does not mean standardized test. Is that where we're not communicating?

            The comment before that was about physical changes in the brain made by music. That's what I was responding to.

            •  The entire diary (0+ / 0-)

              Is about the misapplication of standardized tests.

              All your comments were in support of "testing what we can test."

              When you (apparently) shifted your meaning from standardized tests to individual tests, you neither explicitly mentioned, nor implied such a shift had occurred, but instead used language ("So we wrote standards to address the important things we can check learning for") that continued to imply you were supporting the standardized tests.

              But, of course, while those standards do test something (poverty level), they do not test the thing being discussed in this diary or in this thread (the ability to teach and/or learn music).

              To repeat zenbassoon: You want to assess a music teacher, create a music assessment. Not a math and ELA assessment.

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              by radical simplicity on Wed May 07, 2014 at 12:10:45 PM PDT

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              •  I was never talking about standardized tests. (0+ / 0-)

                In the one part I was talking about assessment, I was really talking about why organizations such as NAFME and ASTA chose the standards they did. Because good standards need to have the possibility of being assessed. You can't assess emotional response, for example. Assessment is a normal function in the classroom. So: you guys are coming up with stuff, but it doesn't really have anything to do with what I was talking about to a completely different person.

                Standards exist independent of standardized tests. That MAY be where you were getting sideways.

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