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  •  For some guns convert anger into homicidal rage (4+ / 0-)

    Guns are a force multiplier. That's why they work in military battle. That's why we fear them.

    In some ways the force multiplier of guns act like a catalyst that accelerates a chemical reaction. The reaction occurs in the brain. The mind contemplates the gun before the hand picks it up. The mind contemplates the trigger before the finger pulls it.

    While I'm not comfortable with any presumption of mental illness in a shooter, a presumption of rational thinking is starting to seem absurd.

    The "it's just an inanimate object" meme is hollow. The absurdity is easily revealed just by considering shooters like Michael Dunn, the theater guy, and the man in WV.

    To accept the inanimate object theory we are asked to conclude that those men had murder on their mind, and if they had no gun, they would have used other means to kill.

    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

    by LilithGardener on Wed May 07, 2014 at 08:54:58 AM PDT

    •  The presumption of rational thinking means the gun (2+ / 0-)
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      aficionados will never advocate any safety precautions in case a mental crisis made a gun owner unable to make a rational decision about point and shoot.

      They are so scared that their guns will be taken they absolutely cannot admit the possibility of a mental crisis impairing shooting decisions. Unless it does, then society should have done something not gun safety organizations like the NRA.

      However the moolisha in Nevada has given pause. Maybe this will last several more months before the aficionados get a grip and go home.

      •  Yes, I hope there is a growing campaign (2+ / 0-)
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        teaching and encouraging people not to handle guns when they are impaired. It's part of human experience that we do not think clearly when we are tired, have consumed alcohol (and some other drugs), and when we are experiencing strong emotions.

        Celebratory shots in the air are one example. It's not mental illness that makes a man pull out his pistol and shoot into the air in jubilee. It's just part of the normal range of human behavior. The catch is most other forms of jubilee don't have the power to kill at a distance.

        FWIW, I propose the term gun libertarians instead of what you used. There are plenty of people who are experienced with guns, experts even, who want regulations and improved safety laws. The problem is that we/they have been mostly silent until now. I'm one of the guilty and hadn't been paying attention to gun violence until Hurricane Sandy brought it to my attention.

        "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

        by LilithGardener on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:04:04 AM PDT

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      •  We should start posting your moolisha (2+ / 0-)
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        88kathy, Glen The Plumber

        term with the TM symbol. That's a meme that should spread.

        "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.” — William Arthur Ward

        by LilithGardener on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:04:44 AM PDT

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    •  This is HUGE, LG (2+ / 0-)
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      Glen The Plumber, LilithGardener

      It was what was so darned funny about Tom Tomorrow's cartoon where the display guns were compelling the customer, who had stars in his eyes.

      What did Michael Dunn say on videotape during his police interview? ""...and quicker than a flash, I fired..."

      Beyond how you have laid it out, Lillith, such an impulse is compounded by two other contributors: 1. pre-visualization (I'm a good guy with a gun, "prepared" to shoot at wrong-doers) and 2. muscle memory (practice in front of a support group down at the ol' gun range against human sillouettes).

      In Dunn's case, add alcohol as #3.

      A rash shooter's behavior is far from entirely unpredictable: it is precipitated by the presence of the gun itself, and further by the pre-conditioning of the U.S. gun mentality. The gun is even considered an "agent" in each incident by public health professionals, one of three required components.

      _______________________________________________________________________________________ It seems to me that we humans take turns being dummies.

      by reasonablegunsplz on Wed May 07, 2014 at 12:05:01 PM PDT

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