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  •  Temporary Help Industry/Employee Leasing (0+ / 0-)

    This Industry simply should be shut down by the Labor Dept.  It's illegal own another human being (a/k/a slavery) and that means it's also illegal to lease/rent one.

    •  Then employment itself should be illegal (1+ / 0-)
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      VClib

      Good luck with that.

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      by Sparhawk on Wed May 07, 2014 at 07:47:22 PM PDT

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      •  Glad to see you coming around. (0+ / 0-)

        Yes, the construct of employment is archaic. Worker owned cooperatives are most likely the future. We are moving toward a world in which most things will be massively free or cheap anyway. I don't see how capitalism survives unless it is kept in place by force.

    •  Temp agencies don't own anyone (0+ / 0-)

      People can quit a temp agency at any time, without notice.

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      by VClib on Wed May 07, 2014 at 08:06:55 PM PDT

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      •  That's incredibly ignorant. (0+ / 0-)

        There is a significant body of case law that recognizes the inequality of the parties in the employer/employee relationship.  Employers have power over employees, temp, perm, seasonal, and (sometimes) even contractors that the courts have recognized to varying degrees.  

        Just because you say employment is "at will" and either party can end the relationship at any time doesn't make them equal parties.  

        (That sound you are hearing is a paradigm being shifted at Warp Factor Infinity using no clutch.)

        by homogenius on Wed May 07, 2014 at 10:51:00 PM PDT

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        •  The law never requires the parties to be equal (1+ / 0-)
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          There is no legal requirement that employers and employees have equal power or leverage in the employer/employee relationship. That equality has never been an employment law standard. The comment was comparing being a temp to being a slave. There are numerous reasons why they are not the same, but the primary one is personal freedom. Slaves can't just leave, while people who work for temp agencies are always able to leave at any time.

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          by VClib on Thu May 08, 2014 at 06:17:18 AM PDT

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          •  Yes. Free to starve. Free to be homeless. Got it. (0+ / 0-)
            •  You are free, not a slave (1+ / 0-)
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              held against your will with no personal freedoms. If you can't appreciate the difference, I feel sorry for you

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              by VClib on Thu May 08, 2014 at 08:31:34 AM PDT

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              •  There's a difference between a serf and a slave. (1+ / 0-)
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                VClib

                But not a whole lot when you get down to it. The slave is not even free to starve; the worker is. We are not really free if we are not free at work. Freedom to take days off with pay, freedom to take a paid vacation, freedom to take paid sick and family leaves. Temps get none of that. They are wage slaves.

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