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  •  That electoral price costs us more (0+ / 0-)

    What you say could make sense, if it weren't for the fact that our losses let them move the goalposts for the future.  If they couldn't rig the system, full steam ahead, with our losses, sure, but we are in a fight for our lives.  We may be stuck with a choice to slow the infection or let it consume.  Our best bet is not to let the electoral free market sort it out by voting for people doomed to fail.  Our best bet is to move the dialogue by not cannibalizing our own, while stating our preferences and why they are better.  Bashing the leaders isn't constructive, stating what they should have done and why is less damaging to the whole of the left.  When the dialogue has moved far enough to our side to get people who agree with us elected, that is when we should strike, not while we don't have a realistic hope of putting someone with our ideals in.  IF WE SPLIT THE LEFT, WE LET CONSERVATIVES WIN.  IF YOU DO THAT, YOU SEND THE MESSAGE TO ALL POLITICIANS THAT THE WAY TO WIN IS TO GO RIGHT, BECAUSE OF A FRACTURED LEFT.

    GOP: The only party stupid enough to try to say that rape is the new safe sex.

    by GabrielinNC on Fri May 09, 2014 at 11:00:49 AM PDT

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    •  You are not sending the message you think you are (1+ / 0-)
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      When you tell the Democrats that you will vote for them no matter what they do, you are making yourself completely irrelevant. They have no incentive whatsoever to do what you want if they know that your support is assured regardless.

      Do you know why the Republicans don't dare to cross their base? Because they know that their base will not vote for them if they don't do what the base wants. The left needs to make the Democrats understand the same thing. And we don't do that by pledging our unconditional support.

      •  You are not sending the message you think (0+ / 0-)

        you are.  There are two ways of pushing behavior.  There is punishment an reward.  Democrats move to the right, because the right are the ones who get out to vote in the midterm and local elections.  We have the numbers on the left nationally, but, all too often, we don't have the votes.  2010 was a lesson to everyone, but we are letting it happen again in 2014.  Going left, when people who agree with you won't vote isn't as fruitful as going right and hoping some moderates that vote will.  Fix the enthusiasm gap, then vote for your ideal candidate, but by letting the right get elected while the candidates to the left of them continue to lose would be giving candidates a lesson that the left is not fertile ground for victories.  These are politicians.  They are ALL moths chasing a flame.  Keep the flame bright and they will keep coming in your direction, but if your light grows dim, they will move towards another light.  Period.

        GOP: The only party stupid enough to try to say that rape is the new safe sex.

        by GabrielinNC on Fri May 09, 2014 at 12:45:05 PM PDT

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