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  •  I don't get it. (2+ / 0-)

    Yesterday you were writing about how much the Bundy militia guys were like the soldiers at Valley Forge. You were worried that if liberals armed themselves, they might shoot the right wingers, "rather than their real enemies."

    You were lamenting the fact that liberals mock the right wing militia. Today it seems YOU are mocking them, unless you are being serious in your desire for a gunboat, but the satire tag belies such a conclusion.

    Quote from your Diary yesterday

    I was reminded of this experience again this morning, reading a story this morning quoting some Bundy "militia" -- men who view themselves as heroes and patriots. What struck me was not the same thing as struck the writer and other readers, who made fun of them for losing their jobs and asking for money. What I noticed is how much their letters resemble some of those home from the soldiers at Valley Forge -- not the officers' letters, but just the men's. They were homesick, they were tired, and they didn't want to be there, but some of them thought it was important that they were. And these men viewed themselves in the same way as the soldiers at Valley Forge -- including probably wanting to desert. If they end up winning their revolution, they'll be heroes in history. If they lose, they'll be losers, and viewed without respect, just as they are by Daily Kos community members now.
    So yesterday it's sympathy for the Bundy clan. Today it's mocking them. OK, whatever.

    "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

    by ranger995 on Sat May 10, 2014 at 01:26:45 PM PDT

    •  Actually, I was lamenting the classism. (2+ / 0-)
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      I think it's perfectly legitimate to satirize arguments as a rhetorical critique. I don't think it's legitimate to mock individuals for things they have no control over, like class and race. what triggered me (and sorry for my extreme reaction) were some classist comments, not the idea (there are in fact, some VERY funny comments in that post farther on related to pigs and government plants.)

      As someone above suggested, it's possible to not be totally opposed to guns and still think the NRA and rightwing militias are basically bad for the country. We need gun laws, no question.

      btw, I think your sig line is hilarious.


      A beggar on horseback lashes a beggar on foot. The beggars change places, but the lash goes on. --WB Yeats

      by kestrel sparhawk on Sat May 10, 2014 at 01:48:50 PM PDT

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      •  OK, I can buy into that. Remember Howard Dean (3+ / 0-)

        said that we could connect with our "redneck" fellow Americans
        if we stuck to a populist message. I agree with that.

        I must have misread your diary, because it seemed to me to be seeking solidarity with a bunch of guys who are hanging out in Nevada talking about executing liberals.

        I am sorry that I over reacted to that.

        "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

        by ranger995 on Sat May 10, 2014 at 01:51:32 PM PDT

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        •  Okay, we're even (2+ / 0-)
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          I think I was not writing up to my own standards yesterday! So, I confirm -- no, I don't like militias very much. (I still recommend Kenneth Roberts, though. V. good summer reading.)


          A beggar on horseback lashes a beggar on foot. The beggars change places, but the lash goes on. --WB Yeats

          by kestrel sparhawk on Sat May 10, 2014 at 02:01:39 PM PDT

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          •  I suspected that: you're a fan of gunboats, (0+ / 0-)

            so the militia part of it is a justification for keeping and floating gun boats.

            This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

            by JJustin on Sun May 11, 2014 at 02:48:18 PM PDT

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