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  •  what's interesting is Col. Jacobs on NBC saying (1+ / 0-)
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    just scrap the entire system, it's failed.

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

    by Greg Dworkin on Sat May 10, 2014 at 05:48:03 AM PDT

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    •  I saw that, (6+ / 0-)

      and my only question to the fellow would be, "What do you propose putting it in his place?"

      Of course, I was anticipating he'd come out and say "privatize it," which has worked sooooooo well in the past.

      •  our current system (3+ / 0-)
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        use ACA.

        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat May 10, 2014 at 07:02:16 AM PDT

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        •  ACA does not support long-term care. (1+ / 0-)
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          Many of the Vets have long-term needs that ACA would not help.

          Medicare/medicaid does but you have to be practically destitute.

          We will never be free from fear as long as we fear the NRA.

          by captainlaser on Sat May 10, 2014 at 08:35:51 AM PDT

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          •  then fix ACA (1+ / 0-)
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            do it for the vets.

            OTPOH, Jacobs' point that the system is unfixible prolly right. Too much politics and incentive to screw up.

            "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat May 10, 2014 at 09:09:41 AM PDT

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            •  One wonders what the rest of the world does (0+ / 0-)

              for its veterans, places where universal care is the norm. I realize we've got more veterans than just about anywhere and most likely more wounded, care-needing vets.

              But, what kind of care do French vets get?

              What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

              by TerryDarc on Sat May 10, 2014 at 09:47:45 AM PDT

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              •  I would think (0+ / 0-)

                If you have national health care, why would vets be treated any differently?  The reason we have a  VA is precisely because otherwise it would depend on the whims of the market place and how much money a vet had to be treated.

                •  b/c they have needs beyond medicine (0+ / 0-)

                  Long term care for guys and gals who've given damned near everything for their country. Like housing, counselling, psychiatry. Now, maybe national health services take care of these things and maybe now. Just sayin' that vets are gonna need it.

                  What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

                  by TerryDarc on Sun May 11, 2014 at 10:59:53 AM PDT

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          •  I wonder if most/all vets in the system (1+ / 0-)
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            could simply be added to medicare?

            "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

            by Greg Dworkin on Sat May 10, 2014 at 09:10:38 AM PDT

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            •  Wouldn't you still need VA hospitals? (0+ / 0-)

              They do stuff that regular hospitals don't touch - long, long term care, e.g.

              What stronger breast-plate than a heart untainted! Thrice is he arm'd, that hath his quarrel just; And he but naked, though lock'd up in steel, Whose conscience with injustice is corrupted. Henry VI Part II Act 3 Scene 2

              by TerryDarc on Sat May 10, 2014 at 09:48:57 AM PDT

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    •  They should scrap it (2+ / 0-)
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      Simply pay for health insurance for vets on the exchanges and let them get their own care.

      Having dedicated hospitals run by bureaucracies is a prescription (see what I did there?) for disaster.

      Even in very large urban areas, VA hospitals are few and far between.  Getting to them for a lot of elderly vets is bad enough, but waiting around all day just to been by a doctor is even worse.

      So, shut down the system and let's just pay for their care.

      •  good idea but (2+ / 0-)
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        JaxDem, JJ In Illinois

        I wouldn't make them go to exchanges, they should create a separate comprehensive, government run insurance program for them.

      •  The VA system is rated best by its users (4+ / 0-)

        When users of medical treatment are asked in polls how satisfied they are with their medical service, the VA gets the highest ranking. Medicare comes in second. Private insurers third.

        Moreover, the VA offers advantages not found anywhere else. There is a central database that contains the entire medical history of veterans. So no matter where a veteran goes, his medical state is known, speeding service and preventing the problems that come with multiple providers, like antagonistic drugs. The VA also has a standard list of drugs and treatments, from which exceptions are rarely granted, thus lowering costs.

        Also, in my area, one of the 25 largest metropolitan areas, it takes a couple of months to get an appointment with a family physician.

        The most pernicious problem the VA faces is that congress and President Bush never budgeted sufficient money for treating veterans after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Due to far superior war-zone medical treatment, far more injured veterans survived than in previous wars with far more serious chronic problems, and the VA must cope with these with less money.

        This is no apologia. The VA has problems. But to suggest that private (profitable) medicine is the solution is naive.

        If you don't know where you're going, any road will do.

        by exregis on Sat May 10, 2014 at 07:19:01 AM PDT

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        •  The VA has SAVED MY LIFE THREE TIMES! (0+ / 0-)

          ....sorry for the shouting, but I've experienced a number of extra years of life that I wouldn't have without them.

          "Ronald Reagan is DEAD! His policies live on but we're doing something about THAT!"

          by leftykook on Sat May 10, 2014 at 10:03:45 AM PDT

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    •  My Brother in Law would be dead if it weren't for (2+ / 0-)
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      VA.  You can't scrap a system that sustains so many people.

      I think that many of the VA Centers operate independently and the problem is local.

      Someone should has that Arizona VA hospital head why she is driving to work in a Mercedes ragtop.   How did she get the GS-32 ranking?

      A similar claim of waiting was made here in MD almost four years ago and Barb Mikulski got on it.  I don't hear the complaints now.

      We will never be free from fear as long as we fear the NRA.

      by captainlaser on Sat May 10, 2014 at 08:34:10 AM PDT

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