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  •  This would never work (2+ / 0-)
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    RiveroftheWest, skybluewater

    Unions work when there is a labor shortage. By getting into the process of procuring labor, the union can be a strong helper to the workers.

    But unions REQUIRE the ability to RESTRICT THE ACCESS TO HIRING. And this is currently not a possibility. The process of hiring is entirely private, concealed, and out of the public view.

    In other words, unions will never again be a force in the US. The entire union model is dead.

    What has killed unions? An excess of labor availability. Where did they succeed before? In places where access to work could be restricted. In S IL, the coal strike worked because the worker access to the work site could be controlled by the strikers. That would never be allowed today. The strikers would be arrested, blackballed from the industry, and would never work again.

    •  Unions need to buy majority shares. (1+ / 0-)
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      Every publicly traded company is a takeover target.  So take them over and drain the HR swamp.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Sun May 11, 2014 at 09:53:13 PM PDT

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    •  Answering a troll, but here goes. (0+ / 0-)

      If you are going to spout anti-union propaganda, please provide some data to back your opinions. I'm willing to learn.

      I think workers need to organize, just like owners and managers do. The organizing body can be called a union or an onion, it doesn't matter. The point is to organize! The owners do, why not workers?

      What has killed unions? An excess of labor availability.
      Hahahahahahahahahaha! Reagan. Thank you for the opportunity to again point out what a dick that asshole was.


      In 2003, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, speaking on the legacy of Ronald Reagan noted:
          Perhaps the most important, and then highly controversial, domestic initiative was the firing of the air traffic controllers in August 1981. The President invoked the law that striking government employees forfeit their jobs, an action that unsettled those who cynically believed no President would ever uphold that law. President Reagan prevailed, as you know, but far more importantly his action gave weight to the legal right of private employers, previously not fully exercised, to use their own discretion to both hire and discharge workers.
      Private employers then proceeded to exercise the hell out of their new-found legal right to destroy organized labor. I'm pretty sure that's how it happened.
      •  The ability to restrict workers (0+ / 0-)

        is what allows unions to form.

        Unionization in the last 30 years is ALMOST nonexistant. If I
        m wrong (which I might be), please provide a list of successful unionization drives. WalMart? They fire everyone, then rehire from the legion of job seekers that shows up.

        Skilled trades? Much has been offshored. What's here is scared shitless and propagandized into fear.

        I'm moderately pro-union. Unlike you, I see the actual events, not just the rosy idealized view that you have. And your comment is fact-free - aside from calling me a troll, you have nothing there but comments from Greenspan.

        So, if I'm wrong, you will be able to provide a list of unionization drives in the last 20 years that have been successful. I'll check back occassionally.

        •  Sorry, I really thought you were trolling (0+ / 0-)

          and I learned my lesson. We have different opinions, that's all. I'd have to become a pretzel to agree with you about Reagan not being the destroyer-in-chief. I thought the links I provided spoke to that. If it seems fact-free to you, oh well shrug.

          I could not glean from your comments that you are moderately pro-union. I'm sorry you live in such a shit world where no one has the right answer. In a very precarious economic position myself, I know how stressful it can be.

          Good luck to you WorkerInUSA, I'm gonna keep fighting for good jobs here in California, organized or not!

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