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  •  Indeed (34+ / 0-)

    This is really troubling.

    There are several parts of this.

    First is the alignment of the U.S. bishops with Protestant Evangelicals in the culture wars. Not only are the U.S. bishops wrong on just about everything here from same-sex marriage to women's reproductive health and family planning, they are also so far out of line with U.S. Catholics -- who are more liberal than the mainstream. This just leads to more empty pews as the American church hierarchy continues to withdraw to more and more regressive positions on issues that are important to their congregants.

    The second is the political alignment of the U.S. bishops with the Republican party, which it views as consecrating their gold-plated lifestyles and greed and their neglect of the social mission of the church. (See Cardinal Dolan of New York accepting awards from Wall St. groups and then returning to his palace dripping with jewels and fancy clothes afterwards.)

    It's just a huge lost opportunity. The Catholic Church in the U.S. is still quite powerful, though diminished, and could really do a lot of good if it wanted to do it.

    "I'll believe that corporations are people when I see Rick Perry execute one."

    by bink on Sun May 11, 2014 at 04:28:50 AM PDT

    •  The story of organized religion (11+ / 0-)
      The Catholic Church in the U.S. is still quite powerful, though diminished, and could really do a lot of good if it wanted to do it.
        Organized religion is the one force, throughout human history, with the ability to rein in the 1%. Governments can do it on occasion, until they get co-opted. But religion has a strong enough hold on the masses that it can override the propaganda of the 1%. Would George W. Bush have dropped a single bomb on Iraq if the Pope had personally traveled there as a human shield?

        Sadly, over most of the course of history (and this isn't just Catholicism), organized religion has chosen to side with established power structures, in order to uphold a "social order" that does nothing but inflict immense misery on the 99%. The whole Calvinist mindset is about glorification of the 1% and condemnation of the rest.

         It's one of the great tragedies of humanity.

      "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

      by Buzzer on Sun May 11, 2014 at 05:54:48 AM PDT

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      •  No one remembers prayer vigil for Syria (0+ / 0-)

        Pope Francis led a day long fast and prayer vigil for Catholics around the world last September for peace in Syria.  This was primarily in response to American threats at the time to bomb Syria because of the reports of chemical weapons.  Escalation and American intervention were averted (although there is still not peace in Syria).

        (Yes I know correlation does not imply causality.  The point is that there are instances where the Church tries to do good.)

      •  actually JPII strongly opposed the Iraq invasion (1+ / 0-)
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        In the final year of his life, he did what he could to persuade against it. Too ill to travel, he sent a Vatican representative to the Bush WH, and the WH pretty much gave the rep the bum's rush.

        It was no secret that JPII opposed the invasion, because he said so publicly numerous times. It was the official position of the Catholic Church that it was an unjust war. Many other American congregations felt the same, including Bush's own Methodist church. Our war-pushing media didn't report on it much, but then there were a lot of things they weren't reporting in those years, when it came to Iraq. i was relying a lot on British media just to find out what my own damn country was up to.

        •  The local churches out here (1+ / 0-)
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          were at the forefront of the Iraq war protest movement.  We held vigils, sponsored letter-writing campaigns, and went on several marches.  Not that it did any good.  :(

          I agree about the media.  Even our local media under-reported the protest numbers significantly.

      •  Sorry... (0+ / 0-)

        the last thing religion ever did for the 99% was the "one rest day in seven."
        Downhill ever since.

        "Our problem is not that the glass is half empty or half full, but that the 1% claims that it is their glass." ---Stolen from a post on Daily Kos

        by jestbill on Sun May 11, 2014 at 11:11:59 AM PDT

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    •  ^^^This is why, despite the words coming out (7+ / 0-)

      of Pope Francis' mouth, I will not return to the Catholic church.

    •  Someone on Reddit just pointed out that (5+ / 0-)

      Protestant comes from protest, protesting the Catholic church. So how did they get on the same side? They must have found something in common. Either Jesus or money and power. Take your pick.

      We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

      by PowWowPollock on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:45:04 AM PDT

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      •  money and power... (1+ / 0-)
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        Organized xtian commonality has nothing to do with Jesus.  After the celebration of his birth, their leaders pretty much ignore him.

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Sun May 11, 2014 at 08:14:17 AM PDT

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