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  •  For the record, (29+ / 0-)

    I think House Democrats should plainly state that the Benghazi probe is an unequivocal waste of time, and use it as a chance to attack their obstruction of minimum wage, ENDA, and immigration reform, far more pressing matters.

    Just like Senate Dem's reluctance to end the filibuster, to participate is purely politically motivated, nothing more.

    "In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” -Confucius

    by pierre9045 on Sun May 11, 2014 at 01:21:12 PM PDT

    •  Suicidally motivated, politically. (25+ / 0-)

      The most effective way to counter a GOP-only Benghazi circle-jerk is for the Dems to reiterate this meme, every time they trot out another lame conspiracy theory:

      "What happened to the GOP fight to end Obamacare? Will we have to have 50 meaningless Benghazi investigations before they decide to let that one go too?"

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi, 6/30/07 // "Succeed?" At what?

      by nailbender on Sun May 11, 2014 at 06:38:26 PM PDT

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    •  the Dems should plainly state (22+ / 0-)

      that the reason lives were lost was because of inadequate security, and the reason it was inadequate was because, twice, the GOP cut the funding for embassy security.

      My take is that Dems should be on the panel and loudly proclaim this fact at every turn. Hang it around the GOP's neck - make them take the blame, make them dodge and twist publicly, and ask "where was the money to pay security? What happened to the money to pay security at Benghazi? Lives were lost because there was inadequate security and we demand answers." Ask it over and over again, and do not stop asking even if they get ejected. The media will notice this sure sure and will, this time pay attention, but only if the Dems get mad and loud and refuse to go away

      "Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government" T. Jefferson

      by azureblue on Sun May 11, 2014 at 09:15:05 PM PDT

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      •  Absofuckinglutely! (7+ / 0-)

        This is what pisses me off the most about this Benghazi shit. But, not a peep from Dems on this. Tweet, tweet...SSK

        "Hey Clinton, I'm bushed" - Keith Richards UID 194838

        by Santa Susanna Kid on Mon May 12, 2014 at 01:54:24 AM PDT

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      •  Okay, I have a question regarding this House GOP (0+ / 0-)

        vote to cut embassy security.  I certainly don't want to defend the GOP on anything but, did this vote actually cut embassy security?

        Wouldn't the Senate and the President have to have voted for this as well if it were to actually have cut funds for embassy security?

        The way I see it, either our side was complicit in this vote or this vote was as worthless as the 50 votes to repeal Obamacare.

        Which is it?

        •  See this past diary (7+ / 0-)

          Some collateral thoughts on the Benghazi tragedy

          Never the less, Congress, in its lack of wisdom, decided differently – and disingenuously as well. In 2009, House Republicans voted for an amendment to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Democrats enacted a budget of $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. In fiscal year 2011, lawmakers shaved $128 million off of the administration's request for embassy security funding. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011.

          House Republicans drained off even more funds in fiscal year 2012 -- cutting back on the department's request by $331 million with a budget of $1.537 – well below what the administration had requested with added security proposals.

          Again, last February, The Obama administration actually requested modest increases in funding for the State Department and USAID for fiscal 2013 when it released its budget. While the Congress doesn't divide up the accounts the same way as the administration, in an apples-to-apples comparison, the House Appropriations Committees' allocation for State and foreign operations for fiscal 2013, was a 12 percent cut from the administration's request, including a 14 percent cut to the administration's request for non-war related diplomatic and development activities such as embassy security.

          Decide for yourself whether Democrats deserve equal blame.

          "In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” -Confucius

          by pierre9045 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 07:11:39 AM PDT

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      •  Well the media may notice (3+ / 0-)
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        but the filtering of that info out to the public will be immense.  Any strategy has to take into effect that the media is horrifically corrupted.

      •  Participation taken as vindication (3+ / 0-)
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        Republicans do not play by any fair rules, witness Darryl Issa's cutting Rep. Cummings' mike rather than allow him to make a statement.  The Democrats should boycott the witch hunt.  Making points on CSPAN is hardly worth legitimizing the hearings.  Democrats will have no say on who is subpoenaed or what documents are requested.  They should declare the hearing irrelevant and a waste of tax payers money and focus on keeping the pressure on raising the minimum wage, extending unemployment assistance, reforming immigration laws and easing student debt.  These are bread and butter issues that affect most people.  

        Beghazi was tragic in that there were not enough guards to make a difference in protecting the Ambassador and his staff and the reason there weren't enough guards was THANKS TO THE REPUBLICAN REFUSAL TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR EMBASSIES DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS BY THE THEN SEC. OF STATE.  This line should be repeated every time the Republicans hold a press conference about their investigation.

        •  It is especially important, to include the (0+ / 0-)

          statement made by Hillary Clinton, on 2/14/2011, expressing fears of this kind of outcome, due to reducing security funding. The GOP forced the cuts, they were warned of possible extremely bad results, and chose then, to ignore it, and now, to shuffle blame, upon those that were more cautious about security.

    •  Bill Nye's an engineer -- aeronautical, IIRC, so (3+ / 0-)
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      he approaches things from a slightly different angle than the average academic scientist.

      I believe his win in the debate went viral.
      Between that and Cosmos, Science is on much stronger ground than it was this time last year.

      LBJ, Van Cliburn, Ike, Wendy Davis, Lady Bird, Ann Richards, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Sully Sullenburger, Drew Brees: Texas is NO Bush League!

      by BlackSheep1 on Mon May 12, 2014 at 08:32:46 AM PDT

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    •  Elizabeth Warren said it best. (0+ / 0-)

      She seems to be the only Democrat in DC with a lick of common sense.

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