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  •  I'd Like to See a Comparison of Mass Identity (15+ / 0-)

    theft rates involved in physical shopping vs online shopping.

    Because I'm not recalling anything happening in the physical shopping world that compares to, say, Target's online mass identity theft issue. Even in the digital world, "last winter" means "current."

    I've done US mail voting and like it, so I'm on board with the generic concept of getting away from (mandatory) voting booths. But I don't want to expand the credibility problems of polling place digital voting systems to internet digital voting systems.

    We can start by mandating a few obvious advances in polling-place digital voting such as open source code and routine performance of certain kinds of audits.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon May 12, 2014 at 08:54:01 AM PDT

    •  Thank you for your support (10+ / 0-)

      I was a founding member of the now-defunct Open Voting Consortium, which produced a proof-of-concept system for Free Software/Open Source voting software, combining the security and auditability features of both paper and electronic voting, while eliminating as many vulnerabilities as possible.

      We were unable to get any government, even ones as favorable as the more Progressive California cities, to take our system seriously as a starting point for developing something deployable, even though they had millions of dollars in HAVA money that they could have invested in it.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Mon May 12, 2014 at 08:59:46 AM PDT

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      •  But couldn't you take that idea (0+ / 0-)

        and use it for dedicated terminals that replace existing voting machines?

        It would make sense - it could be much easier, and cheaper, to use existing computers as the terminals. Upgrading would be easier too.

        The software downloads could be restricted, with multiple levels of encryption and security, to ensure that not just anybody downloaded the software. And if the hardware is also secure, that's even better. It would be nice if the hardware was consistent, but that's not really as necessary.

        If you use a secure VPN connection, you could even upload the data or have them be live online connections, so tallies would be almost instantaneous.

        •  fraud (0+ / 0-)

          with proper safeguards this would be a very good thing.  The problem with current voting machines is they have no oversight and no voter verification.  If the code on the computer were open sourced so that anyone could peruse and validate the function, that would be an improvement.  If each voter were given a bar coded AND human readable print out that they could then verify and drop in a ballot box, that would be good.  One issue is are the voting booths delivering the votes.

        •  We did use stock PCs (0+ / 0-)

          The software was to be provided on signed write-once CDs. The most important factor for the computers was to have absolutely no communications and no storage in the voting units other than a CD reader. There were to be no tally data at the computers. Instead, the machine-readable printed ballots would be taken to a different canvassing computer to have their security data verified and the votes tallied under observation.

          The source code of the software would be available online for inspection and experimentation. Among other things, that would allow any knowledgeable member of the public to verify its workings, rather than the secretive testing services used for proprietary voting software.

          We were talking about putting a version of the software into the Sugar educational software distribution for One Laptop Per Child, as part of a larger civics software suite, but that did not happen either.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:36:14 PM PDT

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      •  you had the right idea, but you were too early. (0+ / 0-)

        The tech won't stop, and internet voting is inevitable.  The republicans will have to be paved, though, to get it done since they want to limit voting to white males with gun permits.

    •  The banks didn't lose that info (0+ / 0-)

      Target did. Banks know how to keep their stuff secure. It's all the other people storing credit card or SSN info that are the problem.

      With online voting, that wouldn't be a problem. We'd have some serious-level security, such as deployed by the banks, the NYSE, etc.

      •  Oh really? You mean like JPMorgan Chase & Co? (4+ / 0-)
        (Reuters) - JPMorgan Chase & Co is warning some 465,000 holders of prepaid cash cards issued by the bank that their personal information may have been accessed by hackers who attacked its network in July.

        The cards were issued for corporations to pay employees and for government agencies to issue tax refunds, unemployment compensation and other benefits.

        JPMorgan said on Wednesday it had detected that the web servers used by its site had been breached in the middle of September. It then fixed the issue and reported it to law enforcement.

        Bank spokesman Michael Fusco said that since the breach was discovered, the bank has been trying to find out exactly which accounts were involved and what information may have been compromised. He declined to discuss how the attackers breached the bank's network.

        (emphasis mine)


        "Turns out I'm really good at killing people." - President Obama

        by jrooth on Mon May 12, 2014 at 01:21:12 PM PDT

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      •  Even with the breaches, retailers and banks (1+ / 0-)
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        will keep plowing forward, and online retailing will continue to grow.

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