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  •  Doesn't mean the Dems can't talk about it. (31+ / 0-)

    Incumbents should talk about how they voted for it and how they're damn proud of it, and if they're in a state that decided not to expand healthcare, explain to the public how many people in their state/district it harms and how it would cost the state nothing to do it. Explain to them how much Politics means to the Republicans, how they're willing to let people die for it.

    •  Nor only costing states nothing..but people paid.. (6+ / 0-)

      ..into the Fed. treasury with their tax dollars are now denied access to healthcare expansion that would pump billions into the state. But with republican governors obstinate refusal, the people of that republican mismanaged state get zero on their investment.
      Also: Could this 6th year 2014 midterm elections end up a replay of 1998 Dems gains?

      After failing to garner insurance co. co-operation in hearings designed to prove one of the GOP’s many lies, the non-paying “takers” stories fell completely flat.  Even Marsha Blackburn was reduced to less than her usual self righteous bloviating. At minute 6:42 on the video is a chart that was featured on MSNBC from a  Jed Lewison Diary that tells the tale:

      ..Kudos to Jed 
      Further along Chris Hayes speaks with Charles Pierce on the politics around the various pseudo-scandals and the GOP and what happened last time the GOP pulled this crap in an earlier 6th year midterm election, 1998.  Against long odds the republicans lost seats. The Dems gained.  Today the same midterm odds against Dems chances are being reported today.  But so are the RWNJ’s tactics and foul play methods as in 1998. Impeachment is even buzzing around and not just with the teabaggers.  

      Chris Hayes is asking whether the republican scandal mongering we’re seeing today is comparable to 1998
      Charles Pierce starting @ minute 9:16

      Chris Hayes: “Charlie do you see any parallels here(?)..I’ve been saying the whole time - ‘they’re not that dumb – they’re not that dumb, they’re not going to go through this again, and I think this select committee..I’m beginning to question my.. what I thought before.”

      Charles Pierce:  “Well..I mean it takes awhile to get the Kangaroo suit out of mothballs, ah. I do think they understand the dynamic. And I do think that they have short term political goals that have blinded then to long term liabilities, which is basically what happened in 1998.

      Chris: “What happened in 1998, and here’s where I see the replay is..they started creating these institutions and bodies that had their own gravitational pull and their own momentum, and once you have the independent counsel, then it kind of got out of everybody’s hands pretty quickly. There were some people urging it on.
      To me, that’s the real danger to John Boehner. You start getting subpoenas; you get stonewalling; you get, you know, invocations of executive privilege. You get F0X fanning the flames and the next thing you know, you’re on the road to escalating”

      Charles: “ Yeah, well that’s the thing. When you compare the Obamacare issue and the Benghazi issue; I shudder to call it an issue -  but let’s just do it for argument sake, it’s a lot easier to do the Benghazi issue because you can make it up. You can make up the numbers on Obamacare but sooner or later math is going to cross you.
      You can make up anything you want about the Benghazi thing, and if the President withholds one e-mail, it’s no longer about Benghazi, it’s about ‘what are they hiding?’.  An you can get another two weeks out of that.”

      Chris:  “And it’s the meta-scandal of course, that the other part of it that’s reminiscent of the Clinton years... there was this carousel  of scandals …and that’s what similar to me about Benghazi; what the scandal is keeps changing.”

      Charles:  “Well there was a memorable moment, I’ll never forget it,.. in a congressional hearing where Ken Starr came before a house committee and was being questioned I think much to his unhappiness, by Barney Frank ; And Ken Starr admitted that there wasn’t anything on white water;  there wasn’t anything on travel-gate;  there wasn’t anything on the cattle futures;  there wasn’t anything on the billing records;  there wasn’t anything on the suicide of Vince Foster;  And I think Barney looked at him and said something like – ‘It would have been nice if you’d told us that a year and a half ago.’  

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      Not that we Dems can let up , and it would be very dumb to depend on republican idiocy no matter how plain to see,  but Chris and Charles may be onto something here.

      My comment @ Daily Kos Open Thread for Night Owls:

      •  All the signs point to massive right wing GOP (3+ / 0-)
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        overreach that will even surpass the Clinton impeachment overreach.

        They so adamantly believe that #benghazi! will doom Obama and all Democrats for the next generation or so, they are going to go full bore right from the start.

        And, once they see that they're getting no traction, their response will not be to moderate and reevaluate their beliefs, but instead they'll amp up the red faced spitting rage and, very quickly, turn that rage on the 'brainwashed sheeple on the Democrat Plantation.'


        "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic." ― Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

        by John O0Connor on Mon May 12, 2014 at 09:40:28 AM PDT

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        •  Any Democrat on the committe (1+ / 0-)
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          Should hold up an unmarked map of Africa and dare the Republican members, one-by-one, to put a dot on the map where they think Benghazi is.

          "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

          by greendem on Mon May 12, 2014 at 01:54:03 PM PDT

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          •  I LIKE that idea! (3+ / 0-)
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            "Well... I personally believe... that some US Americans... are unable to do so because some people... out there in our country... don't have maps and therefore are unable to do so."

            I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

            by mojo11 on Tue May 13, 2014 at 01:30:37 PM PDT

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          •  And then hold up a world map (4+ / 0-)

            with pins inserted in:
            Calcutta, India
            Karachi, Pakistan (two pins go here)
            Denpasar, Indonesia
            Islamabad, Pakistan
            Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
            Tashkent, Uzbekistan
            Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
            Damascus, Syria
            Athens, Greece
            Sana'a, Yemen (also gets two pins)
            Istanbul, Turkey
            Ask the Republicans to identify ANY of these consulatesembassies that were attacked during the Bush administration, and what their response was.

            Then bring up the fact that the GOP cut $450 Million from Embassy Safety funding before Benghazi.

      •  I do remember that Ken Starr moment (0+ / 0-)

        I also remember sending an in channel message to Specter that explained that if he and his ilk continued with insanitygate, proving that politicians lie, that the next Republican that would ever see federal service and especially, the Oval Office would be after the second coming of Christ.
        As he and I were personally acquainted and he knew of both my disdain of politicians and of religion, he knew full well how long that would be.
        He also was acquainted with my special operations experience and track record, from field operations to psyops. I'm just a pure nightmare.  :)

        Thank the tea party for my joining the democratic ranks.
        It just pissed me off beyond imagination when I had to calm combat soldiers down when they were departing on war patrol in terrorist land and they were worried about "second amendment remedies".
        Though, what I told senior NCO's and Officers was a bit dimmer.  It wasn't it was all talk, it was, "If they do, we'll redeploy home and treat them the same way we treat AQ and the taliban.".
        We'll suffice it to say that the reception was highly positive.  :)

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      Tell them their governor and legislators are the death panels you have heard so much about!!!

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