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  •  he wasn't. not only that (7+ / 0-)

    he used his extracurricular fame to get jobs he otherwise would not have gotten

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS!!!
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    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 12, 2014 at 12:34:54 PM PDT

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    •  Tim Tebow was a terrific college quarterback (2+ / 0-)
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      with a Heisman and a national title.  That he didn't possess the skills to do it at the professional level was as much the fault of the teams not being willing to change everything over for him and build their teams around him the way Urban Meyer did at Florida.  When Tebow was finally, after much protest, given the starting job here in Denver he was able to keep the team close enough in games to have a string of miracles in the fourth quarter (yes, miracles) and he was able to get Denver to the playoffs for the first time in years.  In the first playoff game, he hit Demaryius Thomas, their best wide receiver, on a long pass on the first play from scrimmage and win the Bronco's first playoff game in even longer.  They got killed the next game at New England, but Tebow was a winner here in Denver.  He just didn't have a head coach who wanted him and the VP of football operations was in the Hall of Fame for being a passing quarterback and legendary Bronco who also didn't want the Broncos to play that style of football.  When the Broncos were able to convince Peyton Manning to come to Denver, Tebow was history.

      The distractions over Tebow's professions of faith were never as blatant as I saw the national media try to make them.  Sure he thanked God for his victories but he wasn't the Christian Soldier marching off to vanquish enemies like I've seen from other athletes - Tebow wanted everyone to do well and he lived his faith by keeping up the family built hospital in the Philippines.  I don't recall him being hypocritical at all with his faith - he was taken advantage of, and sometimes was led into situations with self-serving jerks, but Tebow is still a young man who can make mistakes.

      I think Tebow could have been a good quarterback with a different system (not Denver with its pass-first philosophy nor New England with Tom Brady)  two places with hall-of-fame passing quarterbacks.  Superbowl winner?  Probably not.  But successful?  I think so.  As it was, Tebow did the best he could and he's still going to succeed at whatever he does next.

      BTW, my wife has the Tebow jersey - I have the Manning one.

      •  i don't think Tebow was a hypocrite (2+ / 0-)
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        but he got a lot of media attention and teams took him without complaining that he got too much attention.

        meanwhile they are "worried" that Sam will get "too much" media attention.

        So Tebow's notoriety did not stop him from getting jobs, and probably helped him.  He was popular and sold tickets.

        But Sam's notoriety is being used as lip service to excuse teams who did not want to draft him higher, even though he will probably sell tickets too.

        in short, I am not blaming Tebow for what happened.  But his celebrity was an advantage to him and not a detriment

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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        by TrueBlueMajority on Mon May 12, 2014 at 02:20:15 PM PDT

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      •  Broncs might could have used Tebow last Feb-- (1+ / 0-)
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        just sayin...  Though it would have taken more than a '4th-quarter miracle'--maybe more like an Apocalypse just before the half.

        •  The Broncos could have used him from the (1+ / 0-)
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          opening gun.  They were NOT ready to play and that still amazes me.

          •  As a massive Broncs fan (lived 12 years there) AND (2+ / 0-)
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            a massive 'Hawks fan (grew up there), I'm still amazed too.  Amazed.  Not that SEA won--I figured they would in the end, on a pick-6--but that DEN had apparently watched NO film of Seattle playing all year, nor even read any newspapers.  "We sort of ran into a buzz-saw out there," said coach after the game.  No kiddin?  +21 in turnovers, least yards allowed, least points allowed--how did Denver think SEA had amassed that kind of season?  Gametime mics picked up someone on the Den O-line saying at one point, "man, those guys are fast."  Yes, a shocker.  The mics also picked up a seahawk saying, about 7 minutes in, "man, we got these boys..."  And they did.

            Tebow wouldn't have saved them, unless maybe he'd insisted on looking at film.  

            •  The Broncos even played them in the pre-season (0+ / 0-)

              so it wasn't as if they weren't even facing an utterly new team.  Granted, I think it was the last game of preseason so most if not all starters were sitting out, but still...

              •  Film. Film film film. Seattle certainly watched (2+ / 0-)
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                film of Denver; and they said, ok, no real power runner, no deep passing threat; yards usually gained 4 at a time, about half of that after catch.   And Peyton hasn't gotten much real pressure all season, and when he has, they've lost or struggled.  No problem...

                Right after the game, I told all my friends in Denver: this isn't on Manning, this is on the coaches.  But on further review I'd say, yeah, it's on the coaches but it's also on Manning.  And the O-line.  And the D-backs.  And Thomas, Decker and Welker for having no plan for separation.  And the special teams....   Am I forgetting anyone?

                •  The running backs. The defensive line. (0+ / 0-)

                  The hot-dog vendors.  Joe Namath for bungling the coin flip.  John Elway, who knows how to prepare for the game, and obviously didn't tell John Fox how to win the big game.  Eli Manning for not having been willing to help his brother win his second Superbowl and tie him for number of rings.  The AFC for not having given the Broncos more of a challenge to prepare them for a strong defense.  Mother Nature for not having made it a white-out blizzard which might have made the Broncos take it seriously instead of thinking they would win by just showing up.

                  I'm sure there are more, but I'll leave it at those folk.

                  Oh, the other ones to blame for the Bronco's lousy performance are of course, the Seattle Seahawks organization.

      •  Playoffs, sure, but only because (1+ / 0-)
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        their division was the very definition of mediocre. All of the AFC West was either 7-9 or 8-8! If they hadn't won that fluky playoff game against the Steelers, I doubt he would have had anywhere near as much run in the rest of his "career."

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:05:50 PM PDT

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        •  Had he not been able to come up with as many (0+ / 0-)

          4th quarter miracles as he did, the Broncos would have not made the playoffs and he'd have not had his moment to shine that he did. There were lots of flukes that season.

          I've always felt, whatever else, that Tebow was a winner.

          •  Yes, I know, but if (2+ / 0-)
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            any of the AFCW teams been any good whatsoever, his heroics wouldn't have made that much of an impact, as you admit. Quick: what teams last year finished 8-8, and who were their QBs? If you had to look it up, you lose.
            ; )
            But we still hear about Tebow.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Mon May 12, 2014 at 03:36:16 PM PDT

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      •  You can argue about the choice between the (1+ / 0-)
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        quarterback of "now" vs. the one of "the future", but I don't think there's any question that Manning wasn't a better quarterback at that moment than Tebow, or in fact, better than the majority of other starters.

        Given the brevity of his career, I think at best you could say that Tebow was only particularly effective under certain circumstances.

        •  I was ecstatic to have Manning, even as damaged (0+ / 0-)

          goods.  He's been way better than we expected and I'm very happy to have the Tebow experiment over with - though I wouldn't have minded him latching on with some other team willing to build a team to emphasize his strengths (running, light passing).

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