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  •  If we give up anonymous vote records, it can (4+ / 0-)
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    be made trustworthy.

    And that's really the question.  Should we do that?  Is doing that wise?

    Without it, there is no record of the voter intent and because of that, no basis for trust.

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    by potatohead on Mon May 12, 2014 at 06:17:28 PM PDT

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    •  No, I agree with you! (1+ / 0-)
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      by slowbutsure on Mon May 12, 2014 at 06:32:18 PM PDT

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    •  That is the key ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... the record of voter intent.

      In the revised electronic voting rules in Ohio, the machine prints up a ballot record on a receipt roll and you can look at the paper version of the recorded vote. Politics is corrupt enough in Ohio that that is not a perfect guarantee, but it does mean that if someone jimmies the electronic record to be different what is being presented to the voter, there is a permanent record of the rigging.

      Its not ideal, because many voters in a hurry do not check the paper roll, but its better than the original system with votes going blind into an electronic data storage card and no human verifiable record of what was supposedly recorded.

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      by BruceMcF on Mon May 12, 2014 at 06:37:45 PM PDT

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      •  Is that paper record used directly for the tally? (1+ / 0-)
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        If so, I would agree it's reasonable.

        If not, I'm afraid it's snake oil.

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        by potatohead on Tue May 13, 2014 at 12:14:06 AM PDT

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        •  Its only used in the event of a recount. (1+ / 0-)
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          by BruceMcF on Fri May 16, 2014 at 10:06:24 AM PDT

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          •  Are there audits? (0+ / 0-)

            If not, then it's still very highly exploitable.

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            by potatohead on Fri May 16, 2014 at 05:21:59 PM PDT

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            •  I do not know whether there are audit ... (1+ / 0-)
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              ... provisions. Recounts are to be done based on the paper tape, not the electronic records, but recounts are only automatic at 0.5% for district level elections and 0.25% for statewide elections, and for recount by application, the losing candidate requesting the recount must pay a share of the cost of the recount if the results are upheld.

              So there is an obvious bias in that someone backed by a sufficiently wealth interest could demand a recount in circumstances where someone with a grassroots campaign may not be able to afford to.

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              by BruceMcF on Sat May 17, 2014 at 03:48:21 PM PDT

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              •  Yeah, that's pretty exploitable, and sadly (0+ / 0-)

                increasingly common.

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                by potatohead on Sun May 18, 2014 at 12:57:50 AM PDT

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