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  •  Every country does it, and or wishes it had (10+ / 0-)

    the resources to do it.

    The idea that the US spies on its allies, but its allies don't spy on the US, is naive.  Ask Michael Pollard.

    This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

    by JJustin on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:13:30 PM PDT

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    •  Moving goalposts (22+ / 0-)

      "wishes they had the resources to do it." Well, sure they do. But I don't think that counts as the same thing as actually being able to do it, any more than wishing to have a nuclear bomb is the same as having one. And, again, I would love to know if any other countries in the world who are not US allies in the Five Eyes have the kinds of capabilities that the NSA has. I have my doubts.

      And please dispose of the absurd strawman that those of us who are not happy with turning the NSA's ostensibly anti-terrorist resources against the governments of friendly nations somehow naively think that no other friendly nations spy on each other. Of course they do. But that doesn't mean that it is okay for the US to use this massive and unique spying capability that the American people are told continuously is intended for hunting down terrorists and preventing terrorist attacks to try and get an edge on its allies during negotiations.

      "As the madmen play on words, and make us all dance to their song / to the tune of starving millions, to make a better kind of gun..." -- Iron Maiden

      by Lost Left Coaster on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:20:56 PM PDT

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      •  I said I'm not defending it. In fact I object. (3+ / 0-)
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        I object, as example, specifically, to Israel surviving on billions per year in US taxpayers' dollars while also spying on the US against US interests.

        I don't defend it; but it is to some degree a necessary defense.

        This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

        by JJustin on Mon May 12, 2014 at 10:30:37 PM PDT

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