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  •  The Fourth Amendment does not apply... (6+ / 0-)

    to persons crossing the U.S. border.  At the border the government has an absolute right to search irrespective of the presence or absence of reasonable suspicion.  Why, therefore, should it be any different when communication crosses the international frontier?

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    by Mets102 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 12:56:41 PM PDT

    •  This is a U.S. citizen within the United States (9+ / 0-)

      contacting someone overseas.

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      by David Harris Gershon on Wed May 14, 2014 at 01:09:44 PM PDT

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      •  Thus it crosses the international frontier... (4+ / 0-)

        which is my entire point.  The case you cite deals with communication across state lines and not international lines.  While this is possibly a case of first impression, the more relevant precedent is related to the government's ability to control the border.  In that area, the Fourth Amendment is not implicated because the government's right is absolute and the courts have held that the Fourth Amendment does not apply.  It does not matter whether or not one is a United States Citizen or whether one is entering or leaving the United States.

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        by Mets102 on Wed May 14, 2014 at 01:16:18 PM PDT

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      •  This is completely ridiculous. (2+ / 0-)
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          I don't know how or why anyone would defend what our government is doing here, purportedly on our behalf.

          My In-laws live in Canada, as do some of my wife's friends. Somehow we now have no right to privacy when we talk to these folks on the phone or e-mail them?
           It's not as if anything untoward is going on, we're all just regular, everyday folks, but it's creepy and distasteful that the government is listening in.
          And our tax money goes to pay for this. It needs to stop.

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        by elwior on Wed May 14, 2014 at 02:24:37 PM PDT

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        •  They're defending it (3+ / 0-)
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          because a Democratic administration is doing it.  Were the Republicans doing it, they would be Righteously offended like any other good citizen.

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          by Johnny Q on Wed May 14, 2014 at 03:31:17 PM PDT

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        •  Given the structure (1+ / 0-)
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          of the internet and how information moves therein, even without the whole current privacy question, why would any sensible person assume any privacy in anything so transmitted?

          Common sense dictates you assume that anything sent via e-mail or cell phone, which has bounced off Ceiling Cat knows how many satellites and other doo-dads en route, is not only not private but is subject to being seen by anyone anywhere any time and is not the least bit private. If you want to send a private message, write a letter.

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          by Mnemosyne on Wed May 14, 2014 at 05:13:52 PM PDT

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