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  •  They're just following Obama's orders (28+ / 0-)

    He's the one who appointed them, they were chosen carefully for their willingness to do exactly as they're told.

    Put the pressure on the White House, where it belongs.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 09:51:19 AM PDT

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    •  That AND your senators. (15+ / 0-)

      Obama doesn't have to run again so he has no consequence to pay. I have a feeling that's why he saved all this corporate legislation until his second term.

      However, senators will still run and still ask for your support.

      •  The diarist advocates "pushing" congress (15+ / 0-)

        But it's a lie. There's only one way to push a politician and that is to threaten them with your vote. And, as far as I can see, despite watching this country go backwards, year after year after year, it is the policy of this site to continue advocating the same thing - keep electing people just because they call themselves "Democrats".

        It doesn't matter how right wing they are. It doesn't matter what they do to the party and its brand. And it doesn't matter that allowing the Democratic party to move to the right actually helps Republicans get elected, that's the plan.

        Well, fuck that plan. I'm tired of listening to idiots leading the lambs to slaughter.

        I won't vote for one single Democrat if they allow Net Neutrality to be gutted. Period. And I don't give a damn if Satan himself is the opponent.

        •  And if anyone is interested in doing something (13+ / 0-)

          more than whining, here are the actual members of the senate commerce committee which oversees the FCC.

          Start here.

              Jay Rockefeller, West Virginia, Chairman
              Barbara Boxer, California
              Bill Nelson, Florida
              Maria Cantwell, Washington
              Mark Pryor, Arkansas
              Claire McCaskill, Missouri
              Amy Klobuchar, Minnesota
              Mark Begich, Alaska
              Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut
              Brian Schatz, Hawaii
              Ed Markey, Massachusetts
              Cory Booker, New Jersey
              John Walsh, Montana

          Here are the Republicans, not that it will matter much to them. They don't actually need our votes like the "democrats" do.

              John Thune, South Dakota, Ranking Member
              Roger Wicker, Mississippi
              Roy Blunt, Missouri
              Marco Rubio, Florida
              Kelly Ayotte, New Hampshire
              Dean Heller, Nevada
              Dan Coats, Indiana
              Tim Scott, South Carolina
              Ted Cruz, Texas
              Deb Fischer, Nebraska
              Ron Johnson, Wisconsin

        •  They're worried about the midterms (11+ / 0-)

          Use it to your advantage.  They live in a bubble up there on The Hill. Wake them up.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:17:41 AM PDT

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          •  Betty when i actually start (2+ / 0-)
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            Agreeing with you that means the situation has gotten really bad. Lol

            I love president Obama!!!

            by freakofsociety on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:54:38 AM PDT

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            •  I'm an old hand (2+ / 0-)
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              at issues lobbying.  Learned a long time ago that, when the issue is really important, you have to step back from being a loyal partisan and hold everyone publicly accountable. Its the only way.

              If good Dems on The Hill change their stance and take a substantive public stance on the issue, you get to reward them, so its not a loss for partisanship.  But nothing is gained by allowing a Dem to get a pass on important issues.  It hurts good public policy and the Party.  

              One trick is to have good, honest relationships with DC Dems and tell them "I want you to do the right thing, here.  I've done my research on this issue.  Please trust my judgement on this issue and know that I will sing your praises loud and clear if you do the right thing. But if you don't, I have to put good public policy ahead of partisanship."

              The other trick is to keep an open mind about the issues you're willing to fight for.  Don't be afraid to go beyond your pet issues and support others if its for the greater good. Watch for issues/policy that aim for negative, wholesale systems change, undoing the foundations of good government. Do your research.

              That said, having to go against your own partisan loyalties on an issue is always difficult, but sometimes you have to do it.  More and more now in the era of Citizens United.

              Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

              by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 12:20:12 PM PDT

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        •  Good for you!!! (4+ / 0-)

          I've gone to OUTCOMES BASED voting myself.  Now, I admit that this issue is not a core value voting issue for me like Social Security and Medicare but I TOTALLY SUPPORT the idea of just TOTALLY VOTING the issues that matter to you.  

          They got scared out of CCPI, temporarily I fear, but that's the only way.  We don't have money.  We only have votes.

          Petitions don't matter.  All they do is get you on a zillion e-mail lists.  

          VOTE ISSUES!!

          Anyone know where Hillary stands on any issue?  No?  Well that's the PLAN.  

          Don't let them get away with it.  

          And if someone wants to combine with me and VOTE my core issues, I will VOTE your core issues.  If you are with ME I am with YOU but that's got nothing to do with the D beside your name.  Are you with me on issues?  If not, do not count on my vote.

          And no one tell me it's about the Supreme Court.  There are few to no issues that can't succeed if Congress passes the right legislation and the President actually does his damn job and executes policy on behalf of WE the PEOPLE not THEM who BOUGHT THEM.

        •  This is a litmus test (6+ / 0-)

          Anyone that supports Tom Wheeler's plan is dead to me. Any so-called Democrat that doesn't support real Net Neutrality will receive no support nor any vote from me. The Internet is far too important to modern life to allow Net Neutrality to be eviscerated by a bunch of corporatists parading around as Democrats. If the Democratic party doesn't fix this, millions of technical people such as myself will no longer bother to lift a finger of support. If the Democrats thought 2010 was a bad year for them-- fuck over the Internet and find out just how truly morose the party's prospects can truly be.  
          This is a line in the sand, Democrats.

          +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

          by cybersaur on Thu May 15, 2014 at 02:19:45 PM PDT

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    •  What does the White House care? (12+ / 0-)

      Obama has got his.  

      Now, let's all sing HILLARY is the ONE!!!! on cue, just because.  

      •  Because Hillary secretly controls the FCC (2+ / 0-)
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        with her Brainghazi glasses.

        American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

        by atana on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:12:13 AM PDT

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        •  No one is saying that (3+ / 0-)

          But your comment is a good example of the pushback that advocates for Common Carrier status for the Internet can expect.    If they want to win, they must take it as a sign that their advocacy efforts are working.

          Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

          by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:23:44 AM PDT

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          •  Oh, I see: *I* secretly control the FCC (1+ / 0-)
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            because I support Hillary.

            Makes sense.

            American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

            by atana on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:25:59 AM PDT

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          •  yet.... (0+ / 0-)

            Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

            by annieli on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:26:31 AM PDT

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          •  Sorry, but I'm calling BS on your comment (1+ / 0-)
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            I support common carrier status for ISPs as being a common sense regulatory solution.  But that doesn't mean that I believe the paranoid crap that some are spouting here about conspiracies involving the president to gut net neutrality.  And I think that Atana's comment does a good job of ridiculing that sort of thinking, as it deserves to be.

            There is a long history of many presidents of both parties treating the FCC as a dumping ground for political hacks and cronies.  This happens because the FCC has generally been considered as being relatively low on the political totem pole, and tends to get scant consideration by the president.  The result is that the quality of the appointments to the FCC has been very hit or miss going back almost to the original creation of the FCC in 1934 -- and, for that matter, probably the predecessor regulatory body, the FRC (Federal Radio Commission) in 1927.  I'm not defending this attitude, as I think that the FCC should get far more attention and concern than it generally has, as communications issues are critically important to our country.

            That said, the appropriate response isn't to spout ignorant and foolish conspiracy theories about secret plans to gut the Internet, or whatever.

            Instead, the response should be to put pressure on the FCC that will shape the final vote in July.  That pressure comes from filing a large number of comments in the rulemaking proceeding, as it becomes difficult for the FCC to justify a vote to gut net neutrality when comments are running about 500,000:1 against that decision.  And believe it or not, the comment record can actually help the FCC defend a decision in front of the courts.

            Political pressure also has it's place, so flooding the White House and congressional offices with comments about this proceeding is also useful.   That can lead to pressure on the commission to make the right decision, as well.  But calling those people whores and sellouts isn't going to do much to get them to pressure the FCC, is it?

            If Democrats proclaim the the Earth is round and Republicans insist it is flat, we will shortly see a column in the Washington Post claiming the the earth is really a semi-circle.

            by TexasTom on Thu May 15, 2014 at 01:36:38 PM PDT

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            •  But they are whores and sellouts. (1+ / 0-)
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              We can do both. Send the stern letters and call them by their real names.

              I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

              Trust, but verify. - Reagan
              Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

              by Words In Action on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:27:47 AM PDT

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        •  less risk more progressive support now since (3+ / 0-)

          it would be nice if Hillary came out in favor of Net Neutrality now even if she went against it as POTUS.

          Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

          by annieli on Thu May 15, 2014 at 10:25:41 AM PDT

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          •  Has the president even spoken on this (1+ / 0-)
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            just wondering....

            Obama is the most progressive president in my lifetime.

            by freakofsociety on Thu May 15, 2014 at 11:20:57 AM PDT

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            •  The WH issued a response to a petition to order (2+ / 0-)
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              the FCC to reclassify ISPs as common carriers. In February, they posted this response on https://petitions.whitehouse.gov.

              Official The White House Response to Restore Net Neutrality By Directing the FCC to Classify Internet Providers as "Common Carriers".
              Reaffirming the White House's Commitment to Net Neutrality

              By Gene Sperling and Todd Park

              Thank you to everyone who has signed on to this petition in support of a free and open Internet. Since his days as a United States Senator, President Obama has embraced the principle of net neutrality. As the President recently noted, his campaign for the White House was empowered by an open Internet; it allowed millions of supporters to interact with the President and each other in unprecedented fashion. That experience helped give rise to the creation of this very platform -- the We The People website -- where Americans can express their opinions on any topic and receive a response from the White House. Rights of free speech, and the free flow of information, are central to our society and economy -- and the principle of net neutrality gives every American an equal and meaningful opportunity to participate in both. Indeed, an open Internet is an engine for freedom around the world.

              Preserving an open Internet is vital not just to the free flow of information, but also to promoting innovation and economic productivity. Because of its openness, the Internet has allowed entrepreneurs -- with just a small amount of seed money or a modest grant -- to take their innovative ideas from the garage or the dorm room to every corner of the Earth, building companies, creating jobs, improving vital services, and fostering even more innovation along the way.

              Absent net neutrality, the Internet could turn into a high-priced private toll road that would be inaccessible to the next generation of visionaries. The resulting decline in the development of advanced online apps and services would dampen demand for broadband and ultimately discourage investment in broadband infrastructure. An open Internet removes barriers to investment worldwide.

              A wide spectrum of stakeholders and policymakers recognize the importance of these principles. In the wake of last month's court decision, it was encouraging to hear major broadband providers assert their commitment to an open Internet.

              It was also encouraging to see Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler, whom the President appointed to that post last year, reaffirm his commitment to a free and open Internet and pledge to use the authority granted by Congress to maintain a free and open Internet. The White House strongly supports the FCC and Chairman Wheeler in this effort.

              The petition asked that the President direct the FCC to reclassify Internet service providers as "common carriers" which, if upheld, would give the FCC a distinct set of regulatory tools to promote net neutrality. The FCC is an independent agency. Chairman Wheeler has publicly pledged to use the full authority granted by Congress to maintain a robust, free and open Internet -- a principle that this White House vigorously supports.

              Gene Sperling is Director of the National Economic Council and Assistant to the President for Economic Policy. Todd Park is the United States Chief Technology Officer and Assistant to the President.

              Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.

              American Presidents: 43 men, 0 women. Ready for Hillary

              by atana on Thu May 15, 2014 at 11:41:49 AM PDT

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              •  Gene Sperling, enough said (6+ / 0-)

                Typical response, vague, contradictory, BS.

                From your comment

                The petition asked that the President direct the FCC to reclassify Internet service providers as "common carriers" which, if upheld, would give the FCC a distinct set of regulatory tools to promote net neutrality. The FCC is an independent agency. Chairman Wheeler has publicly pledged to use the full authority granted by Congress to maintain a robust, free and open Internet -- a principle that this White House vigorously supports.
                What does that mean?  Translation: "We're pretending we have no power over Wheeler's decisions. If he disagrees with you, don't blame us. We're with you folks, until we aren't." Very, very, very vague, which tells us a lot.

                Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

                by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 12:29:17 PM PDT

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                •  Democrat Double-speak (2+ / 0-)
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                  Show me what Obama does and I'll show you what he believes. President Obama's words have no meaning. His actions have told a very different story.  
                  If he truly wanted a "free and open Internet" he wouldn't have appointed a piece of shit cable industry lobbyist like Wheeler to run it. Firing Wheeler is the best way to start fixing this latest self-inflicted wound. Short of that, any words out of the White House on this matter can safely be ignored as the dishonest bullshit that they are.

                  +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

                  by cybersaur on Thu May 15, 2014 at 02:31:35 PM PDT

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              •  Too bad it appointed Wheeler if that's what it (1+ / 0-)
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                really wanted.

                I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

                Trust, but verify. - Reagan
                Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

                by Words In Action on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:28:34 AM PDT

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              •  the double speak (1+ / 0-)
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                in this bogus response made my eyes glaze over and my brain just can't do double think. How absurd this WH's statements have become. The current Dem. administration may be more articulate then the Bushies were but they aren't able to make the case for their absurd two legs better.

          •  That gif is a hoot! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

            by Betty Pinson on Thu May 15, 2014 at 12:23:21 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe she does, how would I know? (4+ / 0-)

          I mean it's not like she's talking to ME dontcha know.  

          And she does NOT have my vote.  Not saying she can't EARN it but she isn't getting it by having dinner with every damn plutocrat in the US.

          So far, she's given me NOTHING.

        •  Who appointed Wheeler? When a fox is put in (0+ / 0-)

          charge of the henhouse, you can bet he was put there by a bigger fox.

          Used to be we'd get R's appointing industry shills. Now it's mainstreamed into the "Democratic Party."

          I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

          Trust, but verify. - Reagan
          Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

          by Words In Action on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:26:32 AM PDT

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    •  When a fox is put in charge of henhouse, (1+ / 0-)
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      you can rightly assume he was put there by a fox.

      I've never left a blank space on a ballot... but I will not vote for someone [who vows] to spy on me. I will not do it. - dclawyer06

      Trust, but verify. - Reagan
      Vote, but Occupy. - commonmass

      by Words In Action on Fri May 16, 2014 at 07:24:00 AM PDT

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