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  •  The Republicans do get what they want (3+ / 0-)

    because there is no opposition.  The Dems are on board.  There is only one party.  The Corporate party.  It has two right wings.  There isn't a dimes worth of difference and if you think there is, it is because they want you to think they are on your side.  They are not.   Maybe they were once and there still may be a few sincere Dems, but the party is really over.

    •  I think you are right. (0+ / 0-)

      I don't recommend many comments but yours deserves this attention. The Corporate Party, the single governing Party in the U.S....and in most of the world apparently. All the campaigning and voting merely support the political industry, managed by the Corporate Party. Voters are shuffling around in a field watched over by the Party. Nothing is going to change, certainly not improve, until voters leave the field.

      •  How do we get the Corpratists to be afraid (0+ / 0-)

        Why don't we have a grassroots movement such as the Tea Party to the GOP to get the Establishment scared?

        Our establishment is feckless and spineless.  Short-term, this may damage the party but long-term Democrats will be better when the sell-outs are purged.  Credibility will be strengthened to the party faithful and the electorate at large.

        For example: Single-payer was turned into the Insurance industry bailout (guaranteed customers).  Single-payer was off the table thanks to Corporatist Nancy (and Obama).  The next best solution was the "marketplace" since anything with "market" will appease the Republicans (and this was their idea originally!).

        WRONG!  They back-pedaled so fast that no one remembered the Heritage Foundation inspired the Democrats' health care reform in the '90s.  The GOP turned it to the kitchen sink by throwing everything from "Death Panels" to the Abortion culture war and sicking the Catholic Bishops at the last minute to stop or weaken the bill.

        Inertial will make Obamacare™ the status quo eventually for the next 50-100 years as The New Deal and Medicare/Medicaid was, unless more drastic changes are agitated and undertaken within the next few years by Progressives.

        Metricating removes gas-guzzlers from the road. Good for the economy and the environment! U.S. Metric Association www.metric.org

        by movingforward on Sat May 17, 2014 at 05:59:18 PM PDT

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    •  2000 sez yer rong (0+ / 0-)

      With a capital R.  

      There may not be ENOUGH difference between the parties, but to say there's NO difference is just silly.  Look, POTUS isn't the only election--stop treating it as if it is.  The real problem is that all the people kvetching about the Democrats don't JOIN THEM and help turn them around.  You know, kinda like Occupy.  What might Occupy have done--what might they still do--if they'd decided to occupy the Democratic Party?

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early; don't mistake an unfulfilled dream for a lost one. A dream has no deadline!

      by Panurge on Sat May 17, 2014 at 06:13:54 AM PDT

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      •  In 2000, we had Democrats willing to fight (1+ / 0-)
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        for at least a few things. Social Security, for one.

        The number of things they're willing to fight for is decreasing sharply over time.

        A Democratic party that in 2000, or 2002, had accepted 19 billion dollars or even 8 billion dollars in SNAP cuts would have been greeted with outrage. A Democratic party that in 2000, or 2002, was willing to seek a Grand Bargain that would cut Social Security would have been thrown out of office. That Overton window keeps moving right, right, right.

        As far as not being willing to JOIN THEM and help turn them around--what do you think I was doing from 2002-2010? That's what this was all about:

        And Dean's not even that much of a liberal. He's a populist, a constitutionalist, and honest, that's all. Apparently that was too much for establishment Democrats to handle.

        We tried JOINING THEM and turning them around. We got these Democrats, who are fracking our water, defending mass warrantless surveillance, letting Wall St walk, making 82% of the Bush tax cuts permanent, leaving a war with Iran "on the table" and cutting 8 billion dollars (most recently) from SNAP while approving aid packages that send money to the Ukraine so we can engage in a New Cold War.

        And this guy got kicked to the curb, while this guy became the President's Chief of Staff.

        If there is any good in life, in history, in my own past, I invoke it now. I invoke it with all the passion with which I have lived. --Elizabeth Kostova,

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat May 17, 2014 at 04:47:30 PM PDT

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        •  How exactly do we move the Overton Window (0+ / 0-)

          back to the left (or even to the extreme left)?  What do you propose?

          Metricating removes gas-guzzlers from the road. Good for the economy and the environment! U.S. Metric Association www.metric.org

          by movingforward on Sat May 17, 2014 at 06:00:23 PM PDT

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          •  Media and mass organizing on a local scale, but (0+ / 0-)

            networked together. Like what was being done in Wisconsin, in the Occupy movement, and most recently, in the Moral Monday movement.

            This sort of thing moves the Overton Window left, if it's widely disseminated:

            If there is any good in life, in history, in my own past, I invoke it now. I invoke it with all the passion with which I have lived. --Elizabeth Kostova,

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:47:55 AM PDT

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            •  But with a greater degree of networking between (0+ / 0-)

              states and regions than has hitherto happened (Occupy made some advances in this direction, but more are needed.)

              If there is any good in life, in history, in my own past, I invoke it now. I invoke it with all the passion with which I have lived. --Elizabeth Kostova,

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:59:03 AM PDT

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          •  If you mean, how do we get the Overton (0+ / 0-)

            window to move left among the established pundits and elected officials, that's another question, which involves getting people who are willing to unflinchingly endorse Rev. Barber's high standard into office. Which means that the corrupting influence on our electoral politics needs to be attacked at all levels: the axis of big money, big media, and the government which has kept our politics in a constant degradation for twenty-five years needs to be tackled, and corrupt institutions within the party structure, such as the DCCC, the DSCC and the DNC need to be examined rigorously and with maximum transparency, and overhauled.

            Or, alternatively, abandoned.

            A good first step is to abandon any politician or organization that redefines trucking with bad policy as pragmatic, worldly-wise, and estimable.

            "If we are leftists, then the Bible, and the Constitution, and the Magna Carta, are leftist documents."

            ---Rev. Barber

            If there is any good in life, in history, in my own past, I invoke it now. I invoke it with all the passion with which I have lived. --Elizabeth Kostova,

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun May 18, 2014 at 10:57:27 AM PDT

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