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  •  You're a real piece of work, you know that? (0+ / 0-)

    People can and do evolve and change. I grew up throwing the word "queer" around as a locker-room taunt and a condemnation. Now I celebrate as I watch homophobia fall across this country, as state after state embraces marriage equality. And my change of heart was pretty quick, too; all I had to do was ask myself the right questions, the ones that I'd never bothered to ask before. It is not out of the question that Francis' views really are shifting as rapidly as his statements indicate.

    FWIW: I was raised Catholic but have not considered myself one for a long time. (My best estimate of where I stand presently is "confused agnostic.") But every time I open a diary here even vaguely related to Catholicism--particularly those offering hopeful news--and see you've immediately poisoned it with one of your smarmy remarks, as reliably as a seagull shitting on a freshly-cleaned windshield, I experience a renewed sense of connection to those Catholics who feel like their church is embattled. Thanks for making me want to rise to the defense of the church, for the first time in a long time.

    Charity is no substitute for justice withheld. -- St. Augustine

    by 3idirish on Sun May 18, 2014 at 03:59:49 AM PDT

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    •  Are you addressing your remarks to me 4idrish? (0+ / 0-)

      Or are you addressing Fishtroller01

      The whole point of this post is high praise for Father Martin.

      I've written three post with the highest praise Pope Francis' speech to the U.N. last week. more than anyone here.

      The only thing I did here was yield one minor point to Fishtroller on the tangential point of a Progressive Hall of Fame that currently has only % members not even President Obama or 350 or so Congressional Democrats one would expect to see first so if this is the point of your indignation I believe it is misplaced and you misunderstand what is going on here.

      IN may previous post with the highest praise for Pope Francis that has been by any writer here in its history which also received overr 200 and  maybe more RECs  both of which are  I believe are record for any post praising a Catholic leader  that I am aware of, including yourself, Fishtroller complained vigorously making perhaps as many as 20 long and detailed complaints of reasons why such praise was invalid and no object, not taken into account the history of the church and the person.

      Due to the hundreds of comments and four other active posts I had to ignore his comments but apologized to him later and promised in the future I would pay attention to his comments and maintain my reputation as a fact based journalist and also a person whose opinions are based an assumption that tare explicit, available for challenge, and I will change them if either my facts, or logic do not hold up.

      Since this one sentence was totally superfluous to my post I figured it was an appropriate gesture of good faith to fishtroller that my representations of objectivity are sincere.

      If you would like to help in refuting his challenge that would be great, and if you succeed I will put it back in. Even if you make any small amount of progress such as  Kascade Kat  has done above I will report the most accurate and favorable progress.  I am happy to discuss any difference of opinion to see if we can resolve it.

      But, first, I'd like to know if you are talking to me our Fish?

      Humor Alert! No statement from this UID is intended to be true, including this one. Comments and Posts intended for recreational purposes only. Unauthorized interpretations may lead to unexpected results. This waiver void where prohibited.

      by HoundDog on Sun May 18, 2014 at 05:08:52 AM PDT

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      •  No, not you, HD...I was responding to Fish (0+ / 0-)

        I liked your diary and I draw the same encouragement from Father Martin's statements that you did. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

        Charity is no substitute for justice withheld. -- St. Augustine

        by 3idirish on Sun May 18, 2014 at 05:23:07 AM PDT

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      •  Again, Hound Dog.... (0+ / 0-)

        all you need to do is take the time to read Betty's well footnoted, linked and researched diaries on the topic of Pope Francis and the Vatican.  Be prepared, however, to spend a lot of time reading, as Betty is very thorough.

    •  Why do you feel the need to belittle me (1+ / 0-)
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      personally in order to make your points?  And do you really think that blaming my comment for your running back to your old religious haunts in order to defend them is an effective comment?   You certainly do appear "confused" to me, but it has nothing to do with agnosticism.

      I don't "poison" the news out of the Vatican or the Pope's mouth or anywhere else.  There is nothing hopeful in the news from those sources to poison.  I would say that lying poisons hope, and I'm not the one lying.

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