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  •  It does matter what you are firing (3+ / 0-)
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    because you have to stand back to use the rifle. You can't restrain or control the dog at the same time.

    Pistols were legalized for hunting here FOR THE SAFETY OF THE DOGS. But unless you have been in the thick of it, I guess it is difficult to conceptualize or understand.

    •  I want to take home one of those crazy tusked (3+ / 0-)
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      skulls.....Is it just the breed?  I always wondered why the Hawaiian hogs had such huge crazy tusks.....My Hampshire was over 700 when he died and his tusks were only about 6-7"  I've see some from the islands that were just insane....

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Sat May 17, 2014 at 08:22:34 AM PDT

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      •  When I was a kid it was about the tusks, (3+ / 0-)
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        for a little while. But I quickly realized that the tuskers were rank old boars with tough, nasty tasting meat. Give me a nice fat sow.

        Partially it is the breed. Hawaiian pigs are a cross of the Polynesian pig, European wild boar, and escaped domestic breeds. The ones we think have more European boar, with the bristles, long narrow snout, and shields, tend towards the bigger tusks. But the overall hybridization likely plays a big role.

        But more importantly, the habitat tends to lead to the loss of their eye teeth, the "filers" that sharpen the tusks and keep them short. Once this tooth is gone, the tusk grows until it cuts back into the jaw (full curl) or, if it isn't growing true, it can even curl around more. But these tusks prevent the pig from foraging effectively, so they tend to be skinny and in poor condition. When you shoot a pig like this, you won't be eating the meat. It is strictly a trophy.

        (If you check out this diary, you'll notice in the fourth picture (by the lava fall) I'm wearing a full curl on my left wrist, cut back just enough to slip it over my hand.)

        •  I can see how loss of the eye teeth would do that (2+ / 0-)
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          as Willies were well used, like you say they sharpen the tusk quite well.....He could be 3' down in about 30 seconds...It was amazing to this city boy......

          I just want a curl because...no real reason and yeah, I'd rather roast up a piglet or a sweet young sow over a testosterone infused stringy tough old Boar......Aren't the ferals eating your ground nesting birds like here?  How have the rest of the species fared with hogs?   Here on the Mainland, hogs will drive out all other game species if they can as well as serious nest predation on birds and mammals.....

          Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
          I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
          Emiliano Zapata

          by buddabelly on Sat May 17, 2014 at 09:37:54 AM PDT

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          •  The feral hogs are an ecological disaster. (1+ / 0-)
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            On my land alone I have seen the treeline retreat about a mile down the mountain in thirty years.  The topsoil is very thin, over a saturated clay base, and the pigs cut the resulting shallow roots so the trees fall over. I have seen a two foot diameter tree uprooted in a night. Only lower on the mountain, where the soil is deeper, can the roots go deep enough to escape the pigs, and so there are still big trees there.

            They also love to eat the hearts of tree ferns, one of the foundation and nursery species in our forests. It is nothing for them to tusk down a thirty foot tall tree fern. Then mosquitoes breed in the hollowed out trunks, and spread avian malaria which wipes out all the native birds. And everywhere they root up the native groundcover while shitting out the seeds of the exotics they eat, planting the invasive species.

            On the bright side, we have about half a million in grants this year to fence some of the best of the native forest. And luckily we are far enough from the roads that the damned hunters won't cut our fences (conservationists my ass! All they care about is the maximum number of game animals.). If you fence the land into reasonable sized blocks and eradicate the pigs inside the exclosure, the native vegetation comes back pretty quickly if it isn't too badly disturbed. In fact, it looks like you fenced the plants IN, and they are bursting through trying to get out. It's really quite impressive what a difference it makes.

            •  same disaster here where they get established (1+ / 0-)
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              We're lucky here in Az in that most of the state doesn't have enough surface water to support any feral hog at all...

              Game and Fish admits to a small population in unit 13b up on the Arizona Strip and scuttlebut has it there's a sounder down here on the border on the Buenos Ares Wildlife refuge due to the water from Arivaca creek and lake....

              Here they want them gone if they exist and badly....You don't even need a hunting license of any type to take hog, no limit and no season...open all year with all hunters in 13b encouraged to attempt to take a hog, esp a sow, while hunting anything else in that unit.

              Buenos Ares is much harder to hunt and being Federal don't have a complete eradication policy for some reason....I'm tempted to take a weekend trip up to the Strip see what the possibilities are....I'll keep my distance though...Just got a new 280g Keith Wadcutter mould for my 45LC carbine. ....being disabled it's impossible to move fast enough to get out of the way close...from a distance, I have faith in my loads and if it's a big big piggie, 45-70 instead....

              Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
              I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
              Emiliano Zapata

              by buddabelly on Sun May 18, 2014 at 08:40:03 PM PDT

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