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  •  I understand the reference (1+ / 0-)
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    ChuckChuckerson

    That was my point.

    It's also three years out from primaries. At the very least we should be looking for other possible candidates. Taking Clinton as a given seems like a great example of giving up and not crashing the gates. Finding a real opponent to run, and not waiting for Warren, that isn't yet nationally known shouldn't be a problem. This is the biggest dem site out there, would it be difficult to use it to find some more candidates?

    If there a way we can look at the candidate pool across the country and look for new candidates here?

    If Clinton is inevitable in the primary then she's inevitable in the primary. Keeping her in the news for 3 years is not a good plan for anyone but the GOP.

    What it boils down to is that right now she is the best known possibility in 2016. That can change drastically in a couple of years and if we can draft Warren for senate then we can find someone in the house or senate to put forward. Demographic and environmental changes are happening fast, and for all we know there could be a major global warming disaster between now and then. If this next el Niño. Massive flooding in California for an extended period would be brutal, especially with the bee problems already

    No War but Class War

    by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:26:22 PM PDT

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    •  She'll be in the news for the next three years (6+ / 0-)

      whether we participate or not.

      All that'll happen if we don't is that the GOP will write the narrative unfettered by fact.

      That is the one true inevitability in this entire scenario.

      I'm all for keeping eyes and ears open for alternatives to Hillary. In the meantime, I see no value in purity trolling to knock her down. We have the GOP for that.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:32:33 PM PDT

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      •  What is an acceptable level of criticism? (1+ / 0-)
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        Obviously, some criticism should happen. Where should that be at?

        And I agree we should participate to some extent, but really, if we participate and just talk about how she's being unfairly attacked then it gives her an automatic advantage and doing that is a bad idea in my opinion.

        There have to be a lot of local reps that are generally good on the issues and great on one issue out there. Maybe even someone from a union, god forbid. I'm just saying that not looking for a challenger is a bad idea. And if people know someone local then they should get their name out.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:47:26 PM PDT

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        •  Where would I draw the line? (2+ / 0-)
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          She comes out with a policy position or makes a statement in support of a bad thing.

          Criticism of the form of 'What she supports is a bad thing. It's a really bad thing. Oppose this bad thing, everybody. Reconsider your support of this bad thing, Hillary.' Sounds good to me.

          'She supports this Bad Thing therefore she's a neoliberal Wall Street sellout and just as bad as the GOP' sounds stupid to me.

          That's my personal position. Your mileage may vary.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 12:52:12 PM PDT

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          •  So then nothing to talk about with her record? (0+ / 0-)

            Because that is the information we have to consider. If we only criticize new positions she takes then there will be no criticisms.

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Mon May 19, 2014 at 02:30:21 PM PDT

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            •  Okay. Let's go with that scenario (2+ / 0-)
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              (and I'll thank you to not put words in my mouth about things I haven't addressed)....

              "Hillary supported X as Senator. X is a bad thing. We should oppose X and pressure Hillary to say that if elected President she will oppose X."

              Versus

              "Hillary supported X as Senator. This shows she's a neoliberal corporatist sellout who is a DINO."

              What's going to be more productive?

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Mon May 19, 2014 at 03:01:09 PM PDT

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