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  •  If We'd Had Those at Kent State, There'd Only (18+ / 0-)

    have been 3 dead in O-hi-O.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue May 20, 2014 at 11:34:54 AM PDT

    •  PLEASE PLEASE TEXAS...SECEDE ALREADY!!! (21+ / 0-)

      If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

      by Pixie5 on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:51:56 PM PDT

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      •  Gee, thanks. (36+ / 0-)

        What did your fellow Dkossers from Texas ever do to you?

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Tue May 20, 2014 at 12:56:39 PM PDT

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        •  Don't go, Catte Nappe. (9+ / 0-)

          We all have crazy cousins in our families states.

          Some just prefer to pretend they don't exist.

          © grover


          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Tue May 20, 2014 at 01:40:25 PM PDT

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        •  Really (29+ / 0-)

          We blue Texans need the protection of the federal government.

          261.A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience. -Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

          by MaikeH on Tue May 20, 2014 at 01:40:53 PM PDT

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          •  Move to a saner place (5+ / 0-)

            or get your state straightened out.  Enough crazy behavior.  I am actually afraid now to visit some states, and that is a new feeling.  

            •  Can everyone PLEASE stop telling people to move. (7+ / 0-)

              You may only be kidding, but it is enough already. One of the reasons the economy swan dive has cause so many problems with the job markets, is that for the first time since the Great Depression, the majority of people who are looking for work, do not have the ability to move to where the work is. When I lost my last desk job (I telecommute now), the IT work in my area was nearly non-existent. Meanwhile, in Portland, OR's listings on Monster, there were ten jobs a day I could've gotten. If I could've moved there, I sure as hell would have.

              Upside down mortgages, and the skyrocketing costs of relocation, mean that telling people to move out of crazy states, is equivalent to telling a woman to leave her abusive husband, while she is chained to the radiator. It's not just irrational, it's insensitive and callous. Millions of people in this country, regardless of whether or not they'd like to move, simply cannot. Or would you suggest they just default on their mortgages, and screw their credit rating for the next decade or so?

              As for getting their state straightened out - why don't you go fix all the problems in your city/county/state/nation, or face being held responsible for every moron who lives near you, and then let us know how that works out.

              •  Excellent Response! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                Enjoying the Age of Aquarius so far?

                by sendtheasteroid on Thu May 22, 2014 at 07:11:05 PM PDT

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              •  BRAVO! (0+ / 0-)

                I'm sick of those responses when something happens in a state other than theirs.

                "Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can lose a little more." Bob Dylan

                by weezilgirl on Fri May 23, 2014 at 02:29:31 PM PDT

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              •  I'd love to leave, as well, BUT, BUT, BUT!! (0+ / 0-)

                Pretty much everyone who would love to leave because of the crazy, evil politics of Texas is also someone who will go to the polls to vote the Democratic ticket in the upcoming midterm elections.  

                We're going to need every single voter who wants to see Wendy Davis and the other Democrats elected this fall.  

                Maybe after that, go ahead and leave.  I know I sure don't want to die in this godforsaken place, but I'm not leaving until after the elections this fall.  

            •  Exactly, AliceLeft. (1+ / 0-)
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              I, too, think twice about visiting certain states. I made the mistake of moving to Florida ten years ago, and I can't move out of Florida fast enough. I find the people here to be absolutely lawless and dishonest in their behavior. What a mess this country has become because of these Right-wingers and their F(r)EE Market thinking.

          •  Thankfully, you guys exist. (2+ / 0-)
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            I think most of here who aren't Texans know that there are Kossacks who live in Texas and aren't gun nuts with no regard for anyone's safety, not even their own.  But if Texas does secede, we will do everything in our power to get y'all airlifted out to safety!

            Unless, of course, you all successfully get Wendy Davis into the Governor's Mansion in Austin this fall.  Keeping my fingers crossed for you...

            Solidarity, Texas Kossacks!

          •  We sure as hell have to keep a low profile here... (2+ / 0-)
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            Put a "Wendy Davis" or an "Obama" bumper sticker on your car - don't be surprised if you find your tires slashed in the morning.  

            Put a Democratic sign in your front yard, get your yard, house and car egged or worse.  

            Wear a "Wendy Davis" tee shirt..don't even think about it.  

            Work on a phone bank, or send emails, or stuff envelopes but most of all, live long enough to get to the polls to cast your vote.  That's really all that matters.  

        •  Sorry...Bad Joke (13+ / 0-)

          I am not dumping on Texans per-se, I am dumping on Texas. There is a difference. Your government is insane and since it is insane I have to assume that there are more than a few Texans who are also insane because they vote for these people who make the laws.

          That DOES NOT include liberal Texans.

          My statement also has to do with the fact that I have encountered Texans who want to secede from the Union.

          Now I am in California and I suppose we have our own brand of Wackiness. At times we are too liberal I think. But still I prefer living here than in a red state.

          If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

          by Pixie5 on Tue May 20, 2014 at 02:09:31 PM PDT

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          •  The loudest wingers on my FB feed (19+ / 0-)

            Live in So. Cal. So, yes you've got your share of them - and "too liberal" is not their problem.

            Most Texans don't vote for these people. Sadly, most Texans don't vote at all.

            According to the the institute, Texas has a voter turnout of 36 percent — the worst in the country.
            http://www.dailytexanonline.com/...
            Maybe if there were more support and encouragement from national Dems they could get motivated.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Tue May 20, 2014 at 02:16:11 PM PDT

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            •  WOW only 36% Too bad (6+ / 0-)

              Actually you do have a point. While overall California is liberal, we do have our solidly conservative pockets. Especially in the rural areas. Also anywhere near a military base.

              If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

              by Pixie5 on Tue May 20, 2014 at 03:07:35 PM PDT

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              •  Republicans have been suppressing votes (13+ / 0-)

                for a good while in Texas.  Remember, Karl Rove was with Bush when he was governor, right before Goodhair Perry took over.  Texas' ruling class is your classic hegemony.

                "Woe to those who make unjust laws,
    to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights
    and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, 
making widows their prey
    and robbing the fatherless."

                by Snarky McAngus on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:02:07 PM PDT

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              •  Issa (3+ / 0-)
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                California is the home of Darrell Issa who keeps getting reelected term after term. So instead of telling people to move out of a state why don't you move to Issa district and vote there to help get rid of one of California'a crazies.

                REGISTER AND VOTE NOVEMBER 2014

                IMPEACH THE REPUBLICAN 5. THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION

              •  "...anywhere near a military base..." (3+ / 0-)
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                All the recent cuts or attempts to cut military benefits and budget cuts that have helped exacerbate problems with the VA might start eating away at that voting bloc.

                 It is single issue voters that have given the GOP a leg up the last few election cycles. Pro-life, anti-gay, evangelicals conspicuously ignore all the stuff that runs completely against everything else they believe just for one more deeply held belief.  

                If it weren't so diabolical it would be funny to watch people like Rick Perry and Marco Rubio pander to evangelicals. I simply cannot believe college educated people can deny science in favor of "creationism" (unless they got that degree at some evangelical college like Michelle Bachman) or deny the science behind global warming.

                Too many Republicans also still believe a high rating from the NRA all but guarantees election or re-election.

                How can we chip away at this?

                •  "Too many Republicans also still believe (1+ / 0-)
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                  a high rating from the NRA all but guarantees election or re-election."

                  Yeah and with Ted Nugent as their spokesperson it ought to be a shoe-in!!! facepalm

                  Yes the Repubs have been royally screwing over veterans. That is another reason why you cannot call them the "Patriot" party because apparently putting your life on the line for your country means squat to them. If they are disabled or even just unable to find a job then apparently these people have suddenly become "bums" Funny how they think a person's character could change overnight. The last thing in the world these people are is"lazy, freeloading bums."

                  Another example of the "compassionate" party.

                  I was pretty young when Vietnam vets came back but I know they were treated pretty awful by the "hippies" I assume though that the government treated them better (I hope) As bad as the spoiled young people treated them, it is even worse when your OWN GOVERNMENT won't stand up for you.

                  One more proof that the Repub party does not stand for what they say they stand for. Once they are finished using you then you are already forgotten. "Out of sight, out of mind."

                  If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

                  by Pixie5 on Wed May 21, 2014 at 07:09:37 PM PDT

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                •  A candidate in Arkansas (0+ / 0-)

                  has filled his ads with the info that the NRA gives him a #1 (or A) rating. That plays really well in the state next to me.

                  "Just when you think you've lost everything, you find out you can lose a little more." Bob Dylan

                  by weezilgirl on Fri May 23, 2014 at 02:42:14 PM PDT

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              •  Also in Massachusetts, where I live (2+ / 0-)
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                and which you'd think was the bluest of the blue (90% of the State House have D after their names, and of course, all of our US Congressfolk are Dems), but I've found splashes of pure crimson scattered throughout.  They're always threatening to move to New Hampshire, they hate Deval Patrick's many tax increases (and yet, MA has been enjoying a decent economic recovery due at least in part to Gov. Patrick's method of bringing revenue back into the state - Mittens sure as hell never managed that, and damn near brought the state to ruin on his watch), they hate the state's strict gun laws (for which I am grateful - you wouldn't see the above photo in any of the Chipotle locations here in the Bay State), they can always find something to bitch about.

                Yet on the whole, they actually have it pretty good here.  Trust them not to be able to see the forest for the trees.

                •  For the gun-nuts it's a mixed blessing -- (0+ / 0-)

                  On one hand, they are protected from getting shot by the strict gun laws.  But they are also prevented shooting others because of those same laws.

                  It's a frustrating situation for lunatic hypocrites.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:33:58 PM PDT

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            •  Nope. (4+ / 0-)
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              "Maybe if there were more support and encouragement from national Dems they could get motivated. "

              Don't hang that on us.  We have our own battles.  It is not my fault your state is red.  It is not my job to fix your troubles for you.
              Yes, we are in this together--but.
              I have seen that whine just once too often.  Texas and Mississippi make themselves national jokes but no one should point it out because there are 12-15 sane people down there.

              Ten million sane people don't stand by and watch idiots saunter around in public with assault rifles.

              Nope.

              "Our problem is not that the glass is half empty or half full, but that the 1% claims that it is their glass." ---Stolen from a post on Daily Kos

              by jestbill on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:36:33 PM PDT

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            •  The difference is that in California, they wisely (2+ / 0-)
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              have laws that prohibit those wingnuts from parading into restaurants, or anywhere where people congregate, with those assault rifles.  In Texas, it is something that they allow people to do.

              And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

              by MrJersey on Tue May 20, 2014 at 09:59:21 PM PDT

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              •  And this means that we should dump on everyone (4+ / 0-)
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                who lives in TX?  
                Decent people judge individuals by what they do.  
                Prejudiced idiots - left and right wing - judge by the state they live in.

                •  Certainly we do not dump on individuals in any (1+ / 0-)
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                  state, but when the state government makes consistently bad, bad, bad, decisions that the majority of the voters seem to support since they return the same politicians to office year after year, a state, not all the individuals in the state, but the state, tends to get the reputation for tolerating insanity.

                  And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

                  by MrJersey on Wed May 21, 2014 at 09:24:18 PM PDT

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            •  Of course the gerrymandering of districts doesn't (4+ / 0-)

              help either. How can Texas improve when guys like Louie Gohmert are running in basically Guaranteed Red™ districts?

              And then, here I am in Idaho, a Guaranteed Red™ state, with a few small blue islands of sanity...

              Republicans - A pathology, not a party.

              by storeysound on Wed May 21, 2014 at 04:22:03 PM PDT

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          •  There's California cities and coastline (6+ / 0-)

            and then there's everything else. The state's cities (esp. the LA and SF metropolitan areas) may cast a blue shadow over the rest of the state when looking at California from a distance, but do keep in mind that over half our state's total area is pink to deep red when you look at the population of just about everywhere here that isn't big city or coastline.

            My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
            --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

            by leftist vegetarian patriot on Tue May 20, 2014 at 03:17:59 PM PDT

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            •  You are correct (2+ / 0-)

              from a purely geographic point of view.

              However, about 70% of Californians live along the coast, and plenty of Democrats live inland. This is reflected in our representation in Washington.

              Both of California's Senators are Democrats.

              There are 34 Democrats in the US House of Representatives and only 15 Republicans.
               

              •  Yes, and a good thing too (2+ / 0-)
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                But although I have lived most of my life in various California cities north and south, and live in one now (Sacramento), a not insignificant fraction of my youth was spent in rural Valley and foothills counties, and I still have family there. That same family is a dot of blue in the heavily red area that inflicted John Doolittle on Congress for too many years. When I see or hear urban Democrats talking about California as a monolith, well, it's just not so, because the cities don't define the state, except on average. We're divided all sorts of ways, and not just Democrat/Republican. North/Central/South and coast/Valley/mountain areas have real differences.

                Besides, we're not in a really good position to be too cocky about our status as a blue state, given that out of the Southwestern states that inflicted Howard Jarvis-style tax revolt libertarian and John Birch flavored conservatism on the rest of the country, our state is probably the most historically culpable. Sure, we're (mostly) better now, but we're not yet far enough past that to be convincingly superior about that improvement.

                My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
                --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

                by leftist vegetarian patriot on Wed May 21, 2014 at 12:01:27 AM PDT

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                •  I'm in the Central Valley (1+ / 0-)
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                  I have a number of like-minded friends but we're mostly a minority of blue in this red neck of the woods.  Fortunately, our Republican neighbors are mostly the traditional conservative kind, not from the batshit crazy wing of the party.  Were I to travel about 40 miles or so up into the hills, though, all bets would be off.  Dueling Banjoes territory, that.

                  3 guys walk into a bar. The fourth one ducks.

                  by penelope pnortney on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:46:35 PM PDT

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                  •  Deliverance references, while sometimes amusing (1+ / 0-)
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                    are also often unfortunate, as they tar poor rural folk with a pretty broad and generally undeserved brush. Plus, I personally like listening to bluegrass breakdowns and so appreciate skilled banjo playing. But I know what you meant.

                    To give you an example of what my teacher dad has had to put up with on his local school board, just google the name Dick Otterstad. He's more or less a cut-rate Fred Phelps and has manage to make himself obnoxious on an impressively wide scale, often coming down into the sinful, sinful cities of the Valley to make his pitch. Back in '04, when he ran for a seat on that same foothills school board, he said he believed public schools should be abolished. Also, and don't ask me why he thought this was relevant (except that for him it always is), that he was in favor of reinstating sodomy laws. He still got 38.8 percent of the vote in that election. Didn't win, that time, but 38.8% of the voters heard him and said, "Yep, that guy is the guy for me!"

                    So, yeah, we here in California have got our share of nutjobs.

                    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
                    --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

                    by leftist vegetarian patriot on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:30:45 PM PDT

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                    •  Some interesting reading (2+ / 0-)

                      and not necessarily in a good way.  I googled Dick Otterstad per your suggestion, people like him really give me the willies.  Did come across an interesting website though - Jews on First..."Defending the first amendment against the Christian Right... because if Jews don't speak out they'll think we don't mind."  This serendipitous discovery of a potential ally in the fight against religious extremism made my day just a tad brighter.

                      3 guys walk into a bar. The fourth one ducks.

                      by penelope pnortney on Thu May 22, 2014 at 12:50:55 AM PDT

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            •  Last Time I Checked (4+ / 0-)

              Land area does not vote--people (real flesh-and-blood people, that is) do. It is a favorite right-wing meme to show maps of the "areas" that voted red in various elections, subtly attempting to ignore the fact that the majority of PEOPLE voted blue.

            •  Land doesn't vote, though. (4+ / 0-)
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              People vote.  

              And there are more people in one apartment building in San Francisco or Los Angeles than in all of Alpine County.

              You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

              by varro on Tue May 20, 2014 at 05:48:31 PM PDT

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              •  Republicans would love it if land voted (2+ / 0-)
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                They keep bringing up the 'landowner' test for voting, and posting their maps showing how very very red the wide open spaces of Montana and Wyoming are.  What they always neglect to mention is that those vast seas of red have fewer people in them than the tiny blue spec of Chicago, or LA.

                "And the President of the United States - would be seated right here. I would be here. And he would be here. I would turn - and there he’d be. I could pet ‘im." - Lewis Black

                by libdevil on Tue May 20, 2014 at 07:12:59 PM PDT

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              •  Surprisingly (1+ / 0-)
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                something I hadn't given much thought, but your observation is a reassuring one.  It's nice to know that the number of people too simple-minded or blinded by bigotry to vote in their own and the country's best interest is actually smaller than I thought.

                3 guys walk into a bar. The fourth one ducks.

                by penelope pnortney on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:52:50 PM PDT

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                •  We'd been living with the "Tea Party" crowd (1+ / 0-)
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                  for a very, very long time in the Southwest, dating back decades before they started calling themselves that. Heck, their ideology was pretty much  born here. It took longer than it should, but eventually Californians got sick of them and started tuning them out (Pete Wilson's Prop 187 was a big help in this regard). That's why the midterm election year of 2010 that was so great for Tea Party Republicans elsewhere was a wet firecracker for them here in California. We looked up and said, "Oh, those f#€£ers again--we'll pass this time."

                  My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
                  --Carl Schurz, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872

                  by leftist vegetarian patriot on Wed May 21, 2014 at 10:48:04 PM PDT

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        •  We would be happy to help you escape (1+ / 0-)
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          should the need ever arise

          •  No wish to escape (1+ / 0-)
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            Just send us food and supplies until we can break the siege and finish fighting them off.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:01:14 AM PDT

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        •  It's not the dkosser's from Texas that are... (1+ / 0-)
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          implied here Catte. It's the idiotic mind trapping assholes that keep voting in the likes of Perry and his unpatriotic and stupidly brainwashed servants that do his bidding we're talking about. And I think, since you are a Kossack, that you probably know that. Cuz we Kossacks, HAVE A THINKING, LOGICAL AND SANE BRAIN...I would hope.

          •  Thing is (1+ / 0-)
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            If you assert you want the state to secede, you aren't picking and choosing which citizens of the state you are throwing away, and which you are keeping.

            As to this:

            we Kossacks, HAVE A THINKING, LOGICAL AND SANE BRAIN
            Only sometimes. Most people with thinking, logical, sane brains don't have as many pie fights as we collectively do.

            “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

            by Catte Nappe on Wed May 21, 2014 at 02:04:23 PM PDT

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            •  I'm fed up with the sane Tejanos allowing their (0+ / 0-)

              state to be controlled by the lunatic fringe, which is by definition a minority.

              Who are "we" to "blame" for that?

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:42:02 PM PDT

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            •  Touche' Catte! (1+ / 0-)
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              I actually do have hope for ALL Texans and my gut's telling me it's going to be having a BIG turn around!

              •  I believe your gut is correct (0+ / 0-)

                But I also hope it is patient. I expect it's going to take awhile. However, as has been pointed out, Rick Perry's aggressive recruitment of companies into the state is going to bring in employees from bluer areas, who will bring their liberal hippie notions with them and speed up the process.

                “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

                by Catte Nappe on Fri May 23, 2014 at 03:48:59 PM PDT

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          •  Ok fine (2+ / 0-)

            but if Texas were to secede it would screw over those of us that do not vote for right-wingers.  Also, this post is about Texas Open Carry, which do not represent normal Texans, normal GOP-supporting Texans, normal gun-owning Texans, or anything other than the most intense and incautious types of gun owners.  OCT are the unstable type of people that would jeopardize the safety of anyone around them because they are too dumb/reckless to realize that they are not perfect - thus they are inherently bringing danger to wherever they bring their ridiculously over-sized and unneeded weapons.  See, I do not even need to argue against guns or right-wingers or whatever - just arguing against this particular brand of reckless craziness is enough.

      •  Nope, I don't want them to. Texas is gradually (32+ / 0-)

        getting bluer. Wendy Davis is a terrific person along with her fellow Democratic state senators.
        And Texas produced Ann Richards, Cecile Richards, Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Julian and Joaquin Castro and the City of Austin.
        This Marylander wants Texas to stay and keep improving!

        While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

        by Tamar on Tue May 20, 2014 at 02:06:30 PM PDT

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        •  Good points...My bad (8+ / 0-)

          If billionaires can afford to spend millions of dollars so that they can avoid paying taxes and fair wages, then they *can afford* to pay taxes and fair wages!

          by Pixie5 on Tue May 20, 2014 at 02:12:05 PM PDT

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        •  And LBJ. (6+ / 0-)

          Because, worts and all, Johnson is still one of our great Presidents.

          Severely Socialist 47283

          by ichibon on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:09:29 PM PDT

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          •  LBJ was great if you like (4+ / 0-)
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            the Tonkin Gulf resolution (a lie to justify war)
            50,000 dead US soldiers
            a million dead Vietnamese
            a de-stabilized aftermath that resulted in a million dead Cambodians

            Fellow Texan GWB did his best to match good ol' Lyndon, but he came up a few bodies short.

            Sesquipedalianism sucks.

            by ebrann on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:43:37 PM PDT

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            •  Probably the only national figure (0+ / 0-)

              who wouldn't have done at least some of things would have been a Republican. Dems from FDR until McGovern were pretty hardcore military interventionists. Republicans were isolationist back then . . .

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Wed May 21, 2014 at 08:17:51 AM PDT

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              •  Any names? (1+ / 0-)
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                I don't recall any Republican politicians who spoke out against the Vietnam war. I remember Nixon's secret plan to end it. It got him elected and got Kissinger a sham Nobel Prize.

                Sesquipedalianism sucks.

                by ebrann on Wed May 21, 2014 at 01:47:29 PM PDT

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                •  You're right, there aren't many--*nobody* spoke (1+ / 0-)
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                  out against the Vietnam War until the New Leftists started to, and nobody in a position of prominence until late in the decade. But if anyone would have on a national platform in the early 60s, it would have been someone from the old iso wing of the Republican Party. The Dems were all in on containment, which is why the Dem Party imploded so dramatically in 1968, opening the door wide open for the Southern Strategy (implicitly--and explicitly, calls for "Law and Order") of Nixon and later Rs in capturing conservative Dems.
                  Gene McCarthy was the first national figure to call for an end to the war during the early stages of the 1968 campaign, but he was pushed aside by RFK's announcement, which sucked all the oxygen out of McCarthy's platform, to mix a metaphor. After RFK's death, there was nobody left in the race with an anti-war voice.

                  "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                  by bryduck on Thu May 22, 2014 at 08:50:16 AM PDT

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            •  It was LBJ who fulfilled JFK's legacy by getting (0+ / 0-)

              both the Civil Rightrs Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, thorugh the Congress and signed.

              Nor was LBJ responsible for the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, which was an act of Congress.

              It was Nixon who had the "Secret Plan" (tm) to end US involvement in Vietnam which required the bombing of the North and Cambodia.

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Thu May 22, 2014 at 03:47:32 PM PDT

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              •  I don't know where you folks are going with this. (0+ / 0-)

                Johnson and McNamara asked for the resolution and used it to the hilt to pursue the war he wanted. Only two senators opposed the resolution, both Democrats.

                Nixon gets no credit whatsoever for opposing the war. His secret plan was merely to escalate it.

                Sesquipedalianism sucks.

                by ebrann on Thu May 22, 2014 at 09:51:00 PM PDT

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                •  The Tonkin Gulf RESOLUTION was a Congressional (0+ / 0-)

                  act.

                  There is an old saying:

                  "The President proposes, the Congress disposes."

                  "Where" "we" are going is to point out that LBJ also did GOOD things.  His legacy is not limited to the Vietnam debacle.

                  And I'm one who was at the time for getting him for war crimes.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Fri May 23, 2014 at 02:04:23 AM PDT

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          •  I'm very mixed about him. Domestically he was (6+ / 0-)

            absolutely one of the best.
            But what he did in Vietnam puts him in the same class with Bush, at best. (although Bush didn't do anything good at all).
            I lived through that war -- had friends who were there and friends who managed to fight off getting drafted. I participated in protests against the war (until they got violent) and I joined my father's celebration when he told me Johnson wasn't going to run again.
            But looking back, I know that so much of our safety net and civil rights protections are because of Johnson.
            I debated listing him and chose not to, but I understand your comment.

            While Democrats work to get more people to vote, Republicans work to ensure those votes won't count.

            by Tamar on Tue May 20, 2014 at 04:54:40 PM PDT

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        •  and once TX does turn blue, or even has to be (6+ / 0-)

          seriously contested in Prez elections, it's game over.  

          Personally I think it was game over once CO, NV and VA were solidified, FL kept in play and NC brought into play.  And bringing GA and AZ into play will likely be the stake-through-the-heart.  But TX?  Fuggetaboutit.  

          Hang in there.

        •  Hey, what about Lyndon Johnson? (0+ / 0-)

          not so much on Vietnam, but Civil Rights and the Great Society.  Certainly the most liberal president since FDR.

      •  Another problem with secession (1+ / 0-)
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        Nuclear armed theocracies make poor neighbors.

      •  Do you realize (0+ / 0-)

        Do you realize that right-wing groups in general and Open Carry Texas specifically want people like you to think that Texans are all like them?  If so, do you want them to win by following the assumptions they want you to make?  Have you ever even been to Texas?

        •  Yes. and I'll never go back willingly. (0+ / 0-)

          My husband and i stopped for gas in a small town outside of Houston. We were driving our car with NY state license plates. The guy who ran the gas station announced that "We don't serve Yankees here". Since we were almost out of gas, we had to turn around and return to Houston to fill up.

    •  Seriously, when people tromp uninvited into your (0+ / 0-)

      place armed with military looking weapons, you do not have to be a gun nut to get behind good cover and kill them.  They are a serious deadly threat.  
      It is different if they are entering a place open to the public, unless that place is clearly posted no guns.
      But if they break into your home, this is home invasion, and you are in deadly danger.  

    •  Not in california (2+ / 0-)
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      Gooserock says:
      "If We'd Had Those at Kent State, There'd Only have been 3 dead in O-hi-O."
      ==

      Google, "North Hollywood shootout"
      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      Police Dpt, was heavily outgunned with their issued weapons, they had to run to the local gunshop to get the guns they need to get even with the suspects.
      No private volunteers had shown up with their guns to help the Dpt.

      I wonder why.
      Gun owners seem to be brave when and where other people don't have guns.
      Am I wrong?

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