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  •  have a link? I try to find out about a situation (1+ / 0-)
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    before I opine on it.

    •  Here's one (0+ / 0-)

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:50:47 AM PDT

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      •  in the entire article, there is only mention of (2+ / 0-)
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        one guy with open carry and he is a security guard.  Since he is a security guard, I assume he has undergone some sort of training regimen in the use of the gun and is proficient with it.

        Hiring armed security guards makes sense in some situations and not in others but I fail to see how this article would indicate that gas station attendants are arming themselves in significant numbers.  Now if the guy had a TOW, then I would be concerned

        •  Note that he is not acting in this capacity as a (1+ / 0-)
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          security guard. Note also that being a security guard does not mean that he's trained in the use of weapons or uses one on the job.  Might, might not.

          You certainly are free to believe that the article's other managed to find the only person in Detroit who carries a weapon when he wants to gas up.

          But --

          Sounds like you aren't opposed to private citizens arming themselves to pump gas.  More accurately, sounds like you aren't opposed to private citizens openly carrying their weapons in an effort to ward off predators.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:28:08 AM PDT

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          •  I have a cwp and carry when I am on my own (4+ / 0-)

            property and have a reason to carry such as going alone to a far corner of the property or carrying a large sum of cash.  I have no problem with owners and employees carrying on their own property.

            However the article did not mention if the security guard unstrapped for lunch or went to McDs fully strapped.  That is what I object to: people who are evidently not trained in using weapons carrying loaded weapons into public places. Or do you advocate open carry of a loaded weapon in restaurants, bars, schools, or other public places where adults and children congregate, expecting a modicum of safety while they are on the premises

            •  Thank you for the clarification. (1+ / 0-)
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              I agree -- openly carrying a gun for no good purpose is not helpful to anybody.  

              Carrying a gun you are not trained to use in a threatening situation is even worse. And, honestly, there is no excuse for that at all.  My wife and daughter went to the local police department and got very inexpensive self-defense training (the kind without a gun). The same PD offered training to gun-owners who might face a dangerous situation.  Knowing how to fire a gun and knowing how to react appropriately when you are being threatened are two very different things.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:52:03 AM PDT

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              •  that is why when I do carry, I carry a revolver (2+ / 0-)
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                as I have found them to be more reliable and I only have about 40% use of my left side.  I also collect revolvers, esp. Dan Wesson (don't ask what I paid for a Dan Wesson 414)

                I need more time on the range as I am having problems with muscle memory.  When I was younger, I was able to react almost instinctively to a situation but now neurological deficits mean I have to reassess how I operate a weapon effectively.  (which is one reason I have gone to a crossdraw.)

            •  After responding to you, I thought for a bit and (3+ / 0-)
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              realized how much we rely on people to act responsibly.

              Guess that goes with any kind of freedom, doesn't it?  The only way to eliminate abuse by irresponsible citizens is to eliminate the freedom for all.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Sat May 24, 2014 at 09:57:03 AM PDT

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