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  •  I know...I can hear the argument now (25+ / 0-)

    "Surely you've seen how Piketty has shown the inequality of capitalistic systems--it's irrefutable!"

    "But Piketty fudged his numbers!  It's like the climate "scientists" cooking the books!"

    And so it goes.

    To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

    by dizzydean on Sat May 24, 2014 at 08:36:01 AM PDT

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    •  The only difference is that we are experiencing (8+ / 0-)

      the effects of inequality right now.

      AGW? It will take years before we really feel the effects.

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      by k9disc on Sat May 24, 2014 at 10:09:42 AM PDT

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      •  No, we're feeling the effects of global warming (12+ / 0-)

        now. But the changes have happened so slowly that younger people don't see them.

      •  I don't know about you (4+ / 0-)
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        but where I live (NE US) we feel the effects of climate change now.

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        by mightymouse on Sun May 25, 2014 at 06:21:09 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, but it's not harming us, outwardly. It's not (0+ / 0-)

          threatening the roof over our head and the food on our table.

          It's making that more expensive, which is exacerbating the inequality problem. The inequality is crushing. Global Climate Change is weird and scary.

          Domestic crop failures are coming soon, though, I would imagine, at which point AGW might be on equal footing with inequality, but until then it may be palpable, but it's not yet painful.

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          by k9disc on Sun May 25, 2014 at 08:57:40 AM PDT

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          •  uhm, it IS threatening the roof over our head (0+ / 0-)

            we have more storms nowadays, with more storm damage, including damaged roofs.

            what part of the country do you live in?

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            by mightymouse on Sun May 25, 2014 at 09:10:49 AM PDT

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            •  Yea, there are millions of people in danger of (0+ / 0-)

              becoming homeless and living in their car because of storms.

              C'mon, man. AGW is just not hurting us yet. It's there, it's scary, but it's not as in your face as inequality.

              I agree it's a huge problem, much larger than inequality in the long run, but it has not manifested itself yet.

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              by k9disc on Sun May 25, 2014 at 09:55:25 AM PDT

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              •  where do you live? (0+ / 0-)

                around here we have more storms, more flooding, more damage.

                to say global warming hasn't impacted us yet is just wrong.

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                by mightymouse on Sun May 25, 2014 at 02:03:40 PM PDT

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                •  I live in the Hudson Valley. (0+ / 0-)

                  I didn't say that global warming hasn't impacted us yet, I said we have not begun to feel it's impact - let's say the full force.

                  I guess the other half of all bankruptcies were caused by storms. And storms have destroying our public schools and dismantled our social safety nets leaving us dependent on more storms.

                  I'm sorry, but we have not begun to feel Global Warming.

                  Even in SoCal, where the water has disappeared, they are just now, this very summer, going to potentially really get a good feel for AGW.

                  It's near and here, no doubt about it, but we have not begun to feel it. I think we've been feeling inequality for about 15 years now.

                  peace~

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                  by k9disc on Sun May 25, 2014 at 03:15:05 PM PDT

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                  •  that doesn't make sense to me (0+ / 0-)
                    I didn't say that global warming hasn't impacted us yet, I said we have not begun to feel it's impact
                    you seem to be saying that since global warming's impact will get worse in the future (true) we haven't felt it's effects yet (false).

                    not sure why you keep bringing inequality into it ... I agree that inequality is a huge and growing problem ... just started Piketty's book, as a matter of fact.

                    Back to global warming, here's Barack Obama on the subject:

                    [Climate Change] is a problem that is affecting Amercians right now, whether it means increased flooding, greater vulnerability to drought, more severe wildfires
                    He said this on the release of the national climate assessment, which describes at length how we are currently feeling effects of climate change.

                    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

                    by mightymouse on Mon May 26, 2014 at 03:04:33 AM PDT

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                    •  I think what k9 means (0+ / 0-)

                      is when EVERYONE sees the effects of global warming in their face every day.  Right now, many parts of the country don't really see it, and the people who live there now are complacent - they didn't have a storm that destroyed their own house, so they'll deny.

                      But, when crop failures start happening more as a common everyday occurence, when water is so short that not only CA and TX have to conserve and not shower or flush, THEN it will make an impact on society and what we consider a real crisis.

                      But until then, the Kochs have about 20-30 years I figure to get all that oil out of the ground - after that point, when water is so scarce people are dying because of it, maybe then the idiots who say 'drill baby, drill' will finally actually SEE it.  

                      As for the inequality, I think much of that is the same type of thing.  Oh sure, prices are higher, wages are lower, but most are still struggling along.  But when it gets so bad that there are riots in the streets, mass looting because people are starving, THEN maybe the idiot Tea Baggers wake up and figure that one out too.

                      But, things WILL have to get as bad as they can get here in good old Idiot America before much changes.

                      •  the ones who don't want to see may never see it (0+ / 0-)

                        we do feel the effects of global warming right now. that's a simple fact, one that needs repeating over and over.

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                        by mightymouse on Wed May 28, 2014 at 05:15:41 AM PDT

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