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  •  A distraction (6+ / 0-)

    There's this place where gun owners mix booze and bullets without ID scanners or bouncers.

    It's called home.

    If you're serious about doing something about gun violence and injury, then let's start with:

    1. requiring gun owners to establish their trustworthiness to keep and carry through a multi-year process,
    2. putting in place a real auditing system that tracks firearms and ammunition from the manufacturer through to the breakers, and
    3. mandatory liability insurance to ensure gun owners have real skin in the game.

    A liquor licensed gun range in Oklahoma isn't even worth our time.

    •  This sounds like it might actually increase safety (2+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim, rduran

      Do gun ranges that don't sell alcohol have any idea who is drunk of sober? Are they even allowed to refuse service for suspicion of intoxication?

      I agree that it makes for an outrageous headline, but in practice, it's not that different from a bar across the street or next door to a gun range, except that the bartenders and the gun range guys are able to restrict shooting after drinking.

      "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

      by New Jersey Boy on Tue May 27, 2014 at 12:49:42 PM PDT

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      •  You can refuse service to whoever you want (1+ / 0-)
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        ColoTim

        And let's face it, while gun ranges are no strangers to gun fails, there is no crisis of drunken rampages at gun ranges.  We do have a problem with mass shootings (rare, but still more common and deadly than crime and injury at gun ranges) and everyday gun homicide (which dwarfs both by two or or more orders of magnitude).

        At this point, I'm convinced most gun control activism is on autopilot.  We hear the same policy proscriptions for ten, twenty, even forty years ago.  We defend existing laws and systems to the hilt without proposing any serious improvements.  NICS is broken and overloaded, so that's the hill we choose to die fighting to defend.  We spend more time worrying about open carry assholes than some guy who, though he's obviously disturbed and probably knows less about guns that a three year old, manages to get a gun legally in a state with the strictest ownership and carry laws in the nation.

        That strikes me as a lack of seriousness, and it infuriates me when parents of the victims who depend on these activists to do something are let down again, and again, and again.

        •  Oh, thanks for responding. (1+ / 0-)
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          rduran

          I didn't mean to attach my thoughts to your comment, but I guess they're related, because we both think it's an outrageous headline, but one that's mostly beside the point?

          "You don't have to be smart to laugh at fart jokes, but you have to be stupid not to." - Louis CK

          by New Jersey Boy on Tue May 27, 2014 at 05:04:18 PM PDT

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    •  title (0+ / 0-)

      the insurance would made sure, unintentionally, that a large portion of minorities would be unable to carry firearms.  Some states have passes laws against "friday night specials" and there has been debate as to whether this is intended to discriminate against minorities.

      ammunition would be a beast to regulate.  you could make reloads illegal I suppose, but you could spoof "identities" or simple file off the number or just make whatever necessary modifications if you had bad intentions.

      I'm not a scholar but I'd guess you'll never see establishing "trustworthiness" implemented widely (shall issue comes to mind) because what constitutes trustworthiness?  In the past this actually was used to deny carry permits to minorities.  Further no such grace period exists for free speech.  We don't earn free speech, we already have it.

      peace

      •  What about the franchise? (0+ / 0-)

        Immigrants have to go through a very lengthy process to gain citizenship and the right to vote in federal, state, and most municipal elections.  Clearly some rights are earned.

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