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  •  Yes. I absolutely would. (1+ / 0-)
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    We're supposed to determine which party controls a legislature via clean, unhindered voting and accurate vote counts. On that I will not budge.

    There is no way for a citizen of a Republic to abdicate his responsibilities. ---Edward R. Murrow

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:04:07 PM PDT

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    •  That's nowhere to be found in any constitution (0+ / 0-)

      The party system is an artificial creation neither envisioned nor endorsed by the framers. Cross-party alliances have happened throughout US history. I have no problem with them per se, only when it leads to bad outcomes.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Wed May 28, 2014 at 04:39:01 PM PDT

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      •  The principle that voters should determine (0+ / 0-)

        who controls the legislature is an essential part of democracy. Without the voters being able to determine into whose hands control of the legislature falls, what use are elections?

        If you want to look back to a pre-lapsarian political world without political parties, I sympathize with the impulse, but the fact that we didn't update the Constitution with a bunch of amendments about political parties doesn't change the basic mechanism of democracy:  I elect you because I like what you're going to do--or what you say you're going to do. I  try to get my neighbors to elect others like you, so you will have a majority of representatives on your side and be able to actually do what I sent you there to do.'

        If the Governor then performs some voodoo in the back rooms with a small group of legislators, getting them to hand power to the opponents of the politicians just elected to a majority by the people, that's a denial of the people's political will--in fact, a reversal of it. It is not just unacceptable, it is egregious.

        There's a lot of things "not in the Constitution" that deeply affect the representative process, and this is one of them.

        There is no way for a citizen of a Republic to abdicate his responsibilities. ---Edward R. Murrow

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed May 28, 2014 at 05:29:33 PM PDT

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        •  I'm about results, not process (0+ / 0-)

          Yes, the party system is a process, but when it leads to bad outcomes, one needs to look past it, at least until things come back into some balance. When racist southerns Dems were defying Truman and later LBJ on civil rights, it wasn't just acceptable, but imperative, to go around them, even if it meant allying with Repubs. Surely you wouldn't have opposed that in the name of "respecting (virulently racist) voters' intent"?

          I'm all for respecting intent and the process when it produces good outcomes, but when it doesn't, it's time to rock some boats.

          Obviously, that doesn't apply to this situation.

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Wed May 28, 2014 at 06:04:34 PM PDT

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