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  •  I've come to the following conclusion (8+ / 0-)

    I hate top 2 primaries.  They strike me as shady and undemocratic, not as bad as say, gerrymandering, but at the very least they suppress third parties to the point where they might as well not exist.  They also open up ugly scenarios like what we saw in CA-31 last cycle where one candidate of the majority party in a district doesn't even advance to the general election.  That's screwed up.  

    I'm really hoping that this top 2 thing doesn't go anywhere besides CA, WA (and LA I think has it too, or am I mistaken)

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    by StephenCLE on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 08:57:35 AM PDT

    •  My main objection with top-two (8+ / 0-)

      is that the shutout scenario is entirely the point of it.  If one Republican and one Democrat proceed, then in effect it's just two concurrent primaries producing the general election candidates.  So the only effect then is eliminating third parties from general elections, which is hardly what the goo-goos in favor of top 2 wanted.

      Rather, they deliberately wanted the possibility of shutouts so that the more moderate candidate could win in November.  That's the whole point of it, and why they abstractly claim that top two leads to more moderate politicians.  As if Gary Miller was a particularly moderate Republican.

      It's all a load of BS and I would strongly fight any attempt to bring top two to my state.

    •  LA has a jungle primary (3+ / 0-)
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      Which is not quite the same. The main difference is that if you get a majority of the vote in the jungle primary in Louisiana, there isn't a runoff.

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      by Gpack3 on Mon Jun 02, 2014 at 12:14:10 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly. As a resident of CA-31 (2+ / 0-)
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      Zack from the SFV, sacman701

      My electoral decision today was to vote for someone who isn't my first choice, but is a Democrat who is leading over all other Dems in polling and isn't Joe Baca. I want at least one Democrat on my final ballot. And, God help me, I don't want that one Democrat to be Joe Baca.

      So, I had to bypass good Democrats just to get someone who is not completely revolting onto my ballot.

      I hope I'm successful.

      Another choice of two Republicans or one Republican and Joe Baca would be too horrible to think about.

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      by pucklady on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 08:25:32 AM PDT

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      •  Pete or Eloise? nt (2+ / 0-)
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        by benamery21 on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 09:12:19 AM PDT

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        •  I voted for Pete (1+ / 0-)
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          First choice was Dan Hillman. Second choice was Eloise. Acceptable choice was Pete. Not acceptable choice was Joe Baca.

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          by pucklady on Tue Jun 03, 2014 at 09:22:24 AM PDT

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    •  Yup, they're horrible (0+ / 0-)

      And we're stuck with them.

      I honestly think the major impetus behind them from the Democratic side is to completely disempower third parties. Of course the major impetus behind them from the Republican side is going to be getting a half-dozen Democrats and a couple of non-Democrat progressive candidates into the primary, and running two Republicans, and winning the general by default.

      But apparently the Democrats are very much okay with losing seats in 60% D districts occasionally, as long as they don't have to worry about any other party muscling in.

      Hey, just like dKos!

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